The defeated company that swore that it wouldn't play the disk game after it lost it's battle against sony is back with a player (now, Blu-Ray player). Why? They just couldn't let it pass the need to make money..

I'm ok with that as long as the Blu-Ray players are good, not just another simple player without Java and such.

wow i guess hell has finally frozen over

You know Sony made millions of VCRs after losing the last format war. Not surprising in the least. Toshiba makes quality equipment.

the fact that blu-ray beat hd-dvd is a testiment to how stupid the human race is. HD-DVD was the same video quality and exact same codec. It required NO NEW HARDWARE and was insanely cheap to create. Blu-Ray cost 9billion USD per manufacturing machine to create. You could ONLY make blu-ray discs on it (hd-dvd allowed DVD as well and DVD allowed HD-DVD, no new costs). Then UNIVERSAL sold out the world and now that is why I prefer to steal everything

I hope they include support for HDDVD - I still have about 40 movies, and I'm nervous my current player will cr4p out at some point...

Jodi Sally must be feeling it.

yeah and Sony's VHS VCRs kicked ass.

Actually, blu-ray is what the porn industry decided to support, the same as VHS, which is why it won.

Actually, blu-ray is what the porn industry decided to support, the same as VHS, which is why it won.

False. Porn industry actually sided with HD-DVD. The motivation? Same picture quality with less production cost.

I hope they make them better than their HD-DVD units. I remember the demo units would crap out when they got too hot, but then the display they were in wasn't exactly well ventilated. I wonder what genius thought of that.

As much as it must hurt Toshiba's pride, one could say it is inevitable. It may be too little too late though as blu-ray could very well fail in the end too. I think that as more people get computers and watch content online, on demand content could very well replace blu-ray. Of course, if we get metered internet then I guess it would be a different story.

online movie downloads are not actually as good quality as blu-ray even if the resolution is exactly the same. correct?

Speaking as a member of the human race, I guess the lesson here is that your opinion doesn't matter nearly so much as you think it should. Boo-hoo.

Just make them finally affordable and I'll buy one

Well this can actually mean cheaper BD-players. The more producers, the merrier customers!

ummmm.... dude go read Wikipedia or something. DVD players never were able to play HD-DVD's. you would still have to buy new hardware!!!. and don't give me the BS about you would have to buy a bluray player now that HD-DVD is extinct because its not our fault that you bought a HD-DVD player in the middle of a format war.

I'm right there with you Antilycus, HD was the way to go.

Not sure about the whole "they won because of porn" i think it was more the buy off that Sony did with the WB company. Which (i believe) later the CEO said he regretted because they ended up loosing sales.

Anyway, the question at hand, i have never had a problem with Toshiba, i own several of their products and non of them have failed me. They do tend to be a little more pricey than some other couter parts, but you are paying for quality.

Read a little more carefully, he was referring to manufacturing hardware, not playback hardware.