I swear to god, the people who run this country are fucking retarded.

They will also discover innumerable network incompatibilities, as well as having to upgrade hardware. I'm sure they must've taken all that into consideration, but why Vista and not 7?

FAIL !

well at least it's nice to know that microsoft will be responsible for the downfall of the us army...

It will take 2 years to validate Win 7.

Don’t get me wrong… I like Vista but come on now, with Win 7 being superior why not just skip Vista and begin testing on 7 and jump straight to it. XP will be fine until 7 is fully tested.

because Windows 7 will be too new, and Vista SP2 is now availiable

Yes...
BUT there is really little reason to upgrade to Vista, especially when you consider the Billions it will cost. XP is sufficient until 7 is tested.

"They will also discover innumerable network incompatibilities, as well as having to upgrade hardware. I'm sure they must've taken all that into consideration, but why Vista and not 7?"

What part of “The Army has been testing Vista since its release and has run it through the Army Golden Master program. The Army Golden Master program is responsible for the release of the Army standard baseline configurations for commonly used computing environments within the Army Enterprise Infrastructure
, the team responsible for making sure applications that ran on XP will run on Vista,” did you not understand?

No, that would be you.

Whatever, I'm glad it's not my Tax dollars going to an unneeded upgrade.

Soldier punches in the launch code.. superior says fire... Windows ask if your sure "Windows needs permission for this launch..." its like adding in another fail safe! LOL

really, waited all this time and cant wait a few a bit longer till win7 comes out and is tested. the government seems love to waste money, and i thought they were going to be more efficient with there computer usage and upgrades.

Windows? Are they serious? The fact that the military is deciding on the most insecure of all the operating systems is absolutely stupid. They should be running BSD on everything there. We might as well as stick a big "rape our infrastructure" sign over the army.

Vista is not as good as XP, but it is no where near as bad as people make it to be.

Whatever.... USA Gov, spend Billions on this:


""According to the Army News Service’s report, “First-time Vista users will discover added support for data encryption, a new Windows Explorer, upgraded icons and navigation structure” as well as “graphical replications of clock, calendar, weather and Outlook mail functions.”"



HAHA I guess thats why your economy is fucked and not going to recover fully... ever.

"but why Vista and not 7?"
There will always be a new OS out before the previous one is finished being tested. Additionally, MS is cutting support for XP. Thus, military is forced to migrate to a new OS, likely before they could finish testing 7. 2 years for testing a new OS is optimistic and not even including deployment time. Many of their programs also have to be updated for whatever OS they are converting to in advance to. They started that over 3 years ago and still aren't done. OS migration is probably a 4-5 year process and it must be finished before the current OS in use (XP in this case has support pulled).

It is bad enough that the government is using M$'s junk, but to use a known POS like VISDUH just "takes the cake"!!!!! - get your head out of you ***'s people!!!!

I can see it now;
SIR, YES SIR - I will launch those nukes as soon as my computer finishes rebooting, SIR

SIR, We have a problem, I keep getting a BSOD... Sorry Sir!!

They should be looking into virtualization…

Netstations for everyone in an office. I just saved USA taxes 1 billion $

This is seriously stupid. They should be sticking with xp, vista offers them nothing, except a SERIOUS waste of taxpayer dollars.

I might support a move to 7 after validation, but moving to vista, especially now, is a big fat waste of money.

Well, so far it has required new PCs and printers. Vista won't run on the Dell Pent. IV with 512MB ram that we have and HP won't give us Vista drivers for the printer/scanner combos. More problems sure to come. I'm sure glad we do our real work on solaris/linux. As for Windows 7, it will be 3 years before the government validates that.

If you have that old of a computer you need to upgrade anyway. No matter what you do.


I haven't seen a BSOD in about 6 years, what hellhole did you come from?

I think most of you have a sever lack of understanding on how government bureaucracies and large enterprises work. They are not going to stick with XP because support for XP will stop in a few years. Also, they will not switch to Windows 7 becuase its new and untested. You can bitch all day about Vista, but the fact is that it is more secure than XP, is now in SP2, and has been fully tested by the Army's own validation program.

[citation][They are not going to stick with XP because support for XP will stop in a few years.[/citation]
Repeated for emphasis. Army has to plan years in advance and convert before support is dropped. 7 isn't out in time.

Listen to this man, he has a higher IQ than most people.

Had one on my XP computer at work two months ago. Had two on a couple of laptops over the last few years: one running Vista premium 32 bit about two years ago, the other on one running Vista Home/basic 64 bit last month. All of these were unrecoverable hard-fault BSOD that had to have the OS reinstalled. I have also encountered a handful of others in the same time frame at work that were fixable by simply rebooting the computers/servers. I must live in some hellhole as well

Military intelligence is to intelligence what military music is to music.

So how many of you use army computers? Seriously you wanna complain about vista and xp? This is not just one computer they are talking about. What might be good for you might not be good for them. They need something that will be compatible over their network so this is the route they are going. Sure there are other platforms out there but the fact of the matter is they want something constant that can be repaired by an army computer technician. The army does not have the luxury of being at the top with technology. They need something that works... and for now that is vista. I'm not a stickler for vista either. It has its ups and its downs and yes windows 7 seems great but the truth is you need at least two years (1 year minimum) to test out a new OS before it goes to a whole network of computers. That's how government offices, city offices, newspapers, school districts, and other orginizations work. There is a process to things so you stick to yours and they'll get back to making our country a little safer.

I work tier 3 IT for the DOD - windows 7 will take ~3 years before it hits the 'standard user'. Take 2 years just for me to get a pilot box.

Try to get your facts right before you sputter off nonsense. When is the end of life for XP? Do you even know? The DOD will not (and should not) accept machines that are out of warranty status for longer than 90 days. That means a refresh on a machine now, when will the end of life of XP occur?

Once again, think before you speak - those of us that are 'in the know' about topics like this would appreciate it.

Also, the government is not the only market affected by this. MANY companies in the private market are in the same boat.

My new Macbook Pro has crashed 4 times in the last couple weeks. My 4 Vista x64 machines: none.

Maybe they should change the commercials around because I'm getting way more complaints from our Mac users lately about crashes than from our PC users. Not only that but Windows 7 is blowing away Leopard in performance and system resources. Leopard is a resource HOG! Want to know why there aren't any Mac Netbooks? Try running Leopard with 1GB of ram and you'll quickly find out. Read up on Windows 7 usage on netbooks. It uses less ram than XP Pro and OSX.

Do your research people. If your research comes from a biased and outrageous series of TV commercials... I'm sorry.