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Three cores... so... Tri-Athlon?
AMD today introduced several new Athlon II processors that strike hard on the value proposition. In fact, the better 'bang for your buck' angle is one that AMD took by comparing to Intel's offerings.
AMD in its press release said that its Athlon II X2 240e processor "performs up to 70 percent better in media and entertainment benchmarks and delivers a processor cost saving of over $40 when compared to the Intel Core 2 Duo E7400…"
Particularly of interest today is the new Athlon II X3 triple core CPU, which we've explored in depth in our feature review.
The company further pointed out that the Athlon II X3 435 processor "delivers processor cost savings of over $100 while providing up to 75 percent better media and entertainment performance when compared to the Intel Core 2 Duo E8500."
The rest of the Athlon II line up looks like this:
In our final analysis, we found AMD's new Athlon II X3 435 as the best budget CPU for the dollar available at stock clock rates. Click here to read our feature review.
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Athlon II X4 620 Athlon II X4 620 Codename: Propus Process: 45nm CPU Cores: 4 Clock Speed: 2.6 GHz Socket: AM3 L1 Cache: 4 x 128KB L2 Cache: 4 x 512KB HyperTransport: 4,000 MHzThermal Envelope: 95W Athlon II X4 620 Quad... Newegg.com $99.00 Directron $104.99 Amazon.com $110.02 We'll start with the new Athlon II X4 620, the first quad-core CPU to appeal to the masses at $100. Based on AMD's Phenom II architecture (but stripped of the large L3 cache) the Athlon II X4 has lots of multi-threading potential. However, at the same time, its lack of shared cache and a relatively low clock speed of 2.6 GHz could prove to be a performance bottleneck. Of course, if you'd like more information on the Athlon II X4 620, please feel free to check out our review of the processor. And if you want a better idea of how this CPU performs in applications other than games, we have a more in-depth look at the importance of L3 cache to AMD's architecture. Phenom II X3 710 Phenom II X3 710 Codename: Heka Process: 45nm CPU Cores: 3 Clock Speed: 2.6 GHz Socket: AM3 L1 Cache: 3 x 128KB L2 Cache: 3 x 512KB L3 Cache: 6MB HyperTransport: 4,000 MHzThermal Envelope: 95W Phenom II X3 710... Amazon.com $128.08 It is somewhat amusing that the Phenom II X3 710 is based on the same architecture as the Athlon II X4 620, runs at the exact same clock speed and HyperTransport speed, and costs about the same price. However, there are two big differences: the Phenom II X3 710 lacks a fourth CPU core and it retains the Phenom II line's 6MB of L3 cache. Given the Phenom II X3's larger Deneb foundation and price point dangerously close to the Athlon II X4, don't be surprised if AMD decides to stop manufacturing these chips in the near future. From an economics perspective, it simply doesn't make sense for the company to continue selling these more complex processors when it has a potential winner in the L3 cacheless Athlon II. Phenom II X2 550 Black Edition Phenom II X2 550 Black Edition Codename: Callisto Process: 45nm CPU Cores: 2 Clock Speed: 3.1 GHz Socket: AM3 L1 Cache: 2 x 128KB L2 Cache: 2 x 512KB L3 Cache: 6MB HyperTransport: 4,000 MHzThermal Envelope: 80W Phenom II X2 550 Dual... Newegg.com $102.00 PC Connection $119.76 Directron $104.99 Compuvest $110.93 By now, we see that AMD is solely to blame for the cluttered $100 CPU landscape, with its third processor in this category: the Phenom II X2 550 BE. Granted, blame might be a bit strong, but with so many similarly-performing derivatives and pressure from Intel's Core 2 family bearing down, there's certainly a lot of price compression going on in AMD's portfolio. This model maintains the L3 cache expected from a Phenom II, but gives up the X3 710's third core. In exchange, it gets a major clock speed bump to 3.1 GHz. As a bonus, this Black Edition CPU also sports an overclocker's aid: an unlocked CPU multiplier. Dual-Core Pentium E6500 Dual-Core Pentium E6500 Codename: Wolfdale-2M Process: 45nm CPU Cores: 2 Clock Speed: 2.93 GHz Socket: LGA 775L2 Cache: 2MBFront Side Bus: 1,066 MHzThermal Envelope: 65W With the dual-core Pentium E6500, we finally have an Intel entry in the fray (although, admittedly, the price has fallen a few dollars short of the $100 target). At 2.93 GHz, it's not quite as fast as the 3.1 GHz Phenom II X2 550, it doesn't have an unlocked multiplier, and it sports significantly less on-die cache memory. Still, Core 2-based CPUs have done well against Phenom II models on a clock-for-clock basis, so it will be interesting to see if the Intel entry can pose a threat to the variety of AMD CPUs at this price point.
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Athlon II X3 435: AMD's Three-Core, 2.9 GHz, $87 Triple-Threat
After the launch of the Athlon II X2 and Athlon II X4 CPUs, it would be difficult to feign surprise at the introduction of the new Athlon II X3. We all knew it was coming, we even mentioned the upcoming X3 flavor of Athlon II in our Athlon II X4 620 launch story. Athlon II X2 Dual Core... Newegg.com $76.00 Directron $72.99 CDW.com $99.99 While the shock and awe might have been spoiled, the Athlon II X3 certainly isn't. AMD's vanguard model is the Athlon II X3 435, and it combines two very compelling components: a relatively high clock speed of 2.9 GHz (that's 100 MHz faster than the top-of-the-line Phenom II X3 720 Black Edition), and a relatively low MSRP of $87. AMD already has the sub-$120 CPU market sewn up with a glut of Athlon IIs and Phenom II X2s and X3s, but at under $90, does the new Athlon II X3 435 offer the best value in the bunch? Let's find out.
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There is really nothing new to talk about when it comes to the X3 flavor of the Athlon II. AMD is simply leveraging the existing quad-core Athlon II die to fit into another market segment by disabling one of the four CPU cores on-board. The triple-core version of the Athlon II die is code-named 'Rana.' Leveraging the same architechture means that the Athlon II X3 will have similar per-core specifications as the Athlon II X4 with which we're already familiar: 128KB of L1 cache per core, 512KB of L2 cache per core, and none of the shared L3 cache from the premium Phenom II family. Of course, the new Athlon II X3s retain the same great AM3 upgradeability; they can be used on older AM2+ motherboards as an upgrade option, or on a brand new AM3 motherboard. While the specifications are old hat, what might pique your interest is the price/performance ratio of the new Athlon II X3 lineup, specifically the new 435 model CPU: Athlon II X3 and Phenom II X3 Product Lineup - Standard ModelsCPU:Athlon II X3 425Athlon II X3 435Phenom II X3 710Phenom II X3 720Black EditionCodename:RanaRanaHekaHekaProcess:45nm45nm45nm45nmCPU Cores:3333Multiplier:13.514.51314 (unlocked)Clock Speed:2.7 GHz2.9 GHz2.6 GHz2.8 GHzSocket:AM2+/AM3AM2+/AM3AM2+/AM3AM2+/AM3L1 Cache:3 x 128KB3 x 128KB3 x 128KB3 x 128KBL2 Cache:3 x 512KB3 x 512KB3 x 512KB3 x 512KBL3 Cache:N/AN/A6MB6MBHypertransport:4,000 MHz4,000 MHz4,000 MHz4,000 MHzThermal Envelope:95W95W95W95WPrice:$76 (MSRP)$87 (MSRP)$100 (Newegg)$119 (Newegg) Here is where things get really interesting. We already know that, at $120, the Phenom II X3 720 BE is one of the best performing CPUs for the money. We also know that the shared L3 cache featured by the Phenom II models is nice to have, but it doesn't always offer a notable clock-for-clock performance increase over the Athlon II family. Phenom II X3 720... Newegg.com $119.00 Compuvest $131.26 Directron $139.99 CDW.com $162.99 Isn't it compelling, then, that the new Athlon II X3 435 has a 100 MHz clock speed advantage over its Phenom II X3 720 predecessor, yet costs only three-quarters of the price? Surely that 100 MHz clock speed advantage will offset a good portion of the L3 cache disadvantage. We strongly suspect this combination of triple-cores, high clocks, and low price will result in a three-punch knockout (though it's still unclear whether Intel will be the sole recipient, or if there will be collateral damage in AMD's lineup as well). We'll have to wait for the benchmarks to confirm that, but before we do we have a handful of new CPU models from AMD to look at--the new low-power variants designed to fill holes in the company's portfolio.






It's a good cpu for the budget sector of the market, also anyone else read the title and think it said "New Triple Core Athlon Is Are Great Value CPUs"? lol
I think that unless your hitting 3 ghz.... it's not that impressive
but looks like good prices, what are overclock possibilities ??
It's a good cpu for the budget sector of the market, also anyone else read the title and think it said "New Triple Core Athlon Is Are Great Value CPUs"? lol
No, I read it as IIs.
I'm really liking the power consumption.. an X4 2.3ghz with 45w? I'm freaken there for an HTPC or other low power consuming pcs..
I'm really liking the power consumption.. an X4 2.3ghz with 45w? I'm freaken there for an HTPC or other low power consuming pcs..
45W isn't its power consumption, it is its Thermal Design Power. The review here indicated that it consumes 71W at idle with a Asus MA4785TD-V EVO board.
65 Watt has always been the sweet spot for me (lower noise, smaller cooler, lower consumption) ... but those 45 Watt quad cores look really nice, me wonders about their overclocking potential ?
Nice Ad.
Sounds like a fast phased Tri-Athlon to me and with a less pricey sweat.
It provides up to 75 percent better media and entertainment performance when compared to the Intel Core 2 Duo E8500 as AMD pointed? Its nice to hear that!
Let's all wait and see for its benchies.
so, we have nice desktop 45W Quad-Cores, and what about mobile CPU's?
X4 mobile @ 2GHz / 25W would certainly get me.....
So why aren't there any good amd CPU's for notebooks if they can achieve these power envelopes?
AMD is really crowding the sub $100 space and I think it may be doing them more harm than good. Wish they would finally add that 4th instruction decoder to the Phenom IIs to distance them a little more from the Athlon IIs.
I'm glad we have AMD around to apply a teeny-weeny pressure on that Intel giant. Yup AMD is small compared to Intel but its voice can be heard if the consumers support it - like "say No to RDRAM!", "say Yes to x64 and No to Itanium". I am particularly looking forward to getting one of those energy-efficient cpus. One thing AMD need to do is to push harder on the mobile market segment - they're practically non-existent compared to intel.
What's up with clock speed nowadays. There's really no difference in 2.2 Ghz and 2.3 Ghz. Yes, you might encode a MP3 half a second faster, but who cares. With overclocking nowadays, just buy the cheapest one for your budget and overclock the hell out of it. What the hell is the difference between Intel's i7 860 and 870? Why do you have to pay almost double the price for just an extra 193 Mhz?
What's up with clock speed nowadays. There's really no difference in 2.2 Ghz and 2.3 Ghz. Yes, you might encode a MP3 half a second faster, but who cares. With overclocking nowadays, just buy the cheapest one for your budget and overclock the hell out of it. What the hell is the difference between Intel's i7 860 and 870? Why do you have to pay almost double the price for just an extra 193 Mhz?
They are indeed the exact same processor, but all processors come off the same line with different capabilities because of natural variances in production quality between processors. The cleanest examples are sold at a premium. While you can overclock the 2.2 to 3.0 ghz, the other will probably do 3.3. I guess that 300 mhz is worth it to some people, but I'm in your boat. Save your money!
They do seem like a decent chip for the budget minded. But I have a feeling the i3's will end up trumping AMD in the budget market. Then again, AMD has got a good head start on Intel in that market, so we'll have to see.
... "say Yes to x64 and No to Itanium". ...
I can feel ya but I'm dead curious about the Itanium2 chips. The computer architecture really needs a reboot and a new start on a clean sheet. Imagine how fast the CPUs would be if one relieved them of the burden of backwards compatibility with i386. A well-built CPU with a clean instruction set would kick ass. Unfortunately it seems that one has to be as big as Intel to carry out such a reboot.
I would rather sodomize myself with a pineapple than spend my hard earned money on a budget amd cpu. A phenom II x4 - maybe, but I'd rather go for a more stable intel platform. I built 3 systems at work with phenom IIs and 3 different motherboards not one of them can run a week without randomly restarting, or crashing. All the ram checks out in memtest, I even tried underclocking them and over volting them, swapping out heatsinks etc nothing seems to cure the disease. Maybe when their new architecture comes out I'll give them another shot
Anyone else see the Phenom II x4 655 Price drop $30 on newegg? As of this writing: $215 without the combo deals.
Anyone else see the Phenom II x4 655 Price drop $30 on newegg? As of this writing: $215 without the combo deals.
You mean the Phenom II X4 965. Yes it's down to $215. I still wouldn't get it though. 140 watts TDP sucks.
The Lynnfields are only 95 watts TDP and can perform just as good or even better.
If you have a Microcenter near you, $229 for the i7 860 is the best bang for buck right now.
Where are your notebook chips? Intel is dominating, no obliterating, AMD in the notebook market and they are worried about pushing out low cost desktop CPU's. Come on AMD. We've been waiting over a year for mobile core i7 and you've got nothing for me to counter it. What happened after Athlon? Fire your engineering team?
actually to the notebook comments on here. I noticed in my weekly sunday Best Buy ad that the new Turion II Ultra equipped notebooks had a "claimed" battery life of about 5-6 hours, which those cpu's compared very well w/ similar C2D equipped laptops as far as "claimed" battery life. I was actually surprised. Cause I always love looking throught the Best Buy ads, but when I would get to laptops and see how poor many AMD mobile CPU laptops performed it has been a bit of a let down. But when I saw the new Turion II Ultra's (are they new? I just never noticed them before so I assumed so) it was a pleasant surprise to see that they very well rivaled C2D's. However it was only the Turion II Ultra's that did that well. The Turion II's were still kinda back in the 3-4 hours batt. range. (which isnt terrible i guess, but not great either).
actually to the notebook comments on here. I noticed in my weekly sunday Best Buy ad that the new Turion II Ultra equipped notebooks had a "claimed" battery life of about 5-6 hours, which those cpu's compared very well w/ similar C2D equipped laptops as far as "claimed" battery life. I was actually surprised. Cause I always love looking throught the Best Buy ads, but when I would get to laptops and see how poor many AMD mobile CPU laptops performed it has been a bit of a let down. But when I saw the new Turion II Ultra's (are they new? I just never noticed them before so I assumed so) it was a pleasant surprise to see that they very well rivaled C2D's. However it was only the Turion II Ultra's that did that well. The Turion II's were still kinda back in the 3-4 hours batt. range. (which isnt terrible i guess, but not great either).
You're a noob if you get your info from Best Buy.
You're a noob if you get your info from Best Buy.
The guy's name is "AMDnoob," he's not hiding anything, cut him some slack.
Seriously though, AMD needs to make a bigger splash in the mobile market. They don't have any excuses now.
@masterasia
The 95W version of the Phenom II X4 945 isn't that shabby @ $165. Even with a single 5850 Radeon graphics card, it'd be difficult to find situations where the CPU bottleneck would be noticeable....
But, yeah, AMD's notebook processors are laughable.
You're a noob if you get your info from Best Buy.
way to be a dick... but w/e you would never say that to my face so it's all good. But anyways back to what I come to this site for... I just thought that the Turion Ultra II's seemed to be coming along OK
For the price I'd rather pay for a Phenom2 processor than even a "quAdhlon" processor!
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You mean the Phenom II X4 965. Yes it's down to $215. I still wouldn't get it though. 140 watts TDP sucks. The Lynnfields are only 95 watts TDP and can perform just as good or even better.If you have a Microcenter near you, $229 for the i7 860 is the best bang for buck right now.
The Lynnfields would be better (no problem with the i5 or i7 CPU) unfortunately there is a problem with foxconn sockets used on many brands of P55 motherboards.So right now I would avoid this platform until the problem is resolved otherwise having many pins not making proper contact is a ticking time bomb for long term reliability or over clocking if it even works.I trust CPU's with PGA's over LGA's although I haven't heard of anything wrong with the X58/LGA 1366.
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But Actually, these are great man! but not after i3's, so AMD, Hurry up!