The BSA Rejects the Current Stop Online Piracy Act

I hope the bill doesn't get passed in its current form. I want internet to be free.

now the gov't is trying to over-regulate and kill the technology sector? are they ever gonna learn all they do is slow down innovation?

when the BSA says no...you know you're doing something wrong

Software pirating will NEVER be full-proof. Period. They just need to stop trying.

Unless we all go to a cloud, then maybe it'll happen. But we're years ahead of that. For God Sakes, some people still have DIAL-UP!!!

(Emphasis added.)

Cool.

So how about we put the next logical step into law- prosecuting these guys and not Joe Average Guy (or grandma) for downloading 5 songs?

That way, we can avoid stupid lawsuits which jam up the courts, and take down the automatic settlement websites.

But if Congress is still trying to get this passed, well, there's probably no hope for that for a while.

Would you call people who pirate software innovators in the technology sector? Um... let's hope not. Businesses who innovate in the technology sector don't pirate software, teenagers in their parent's basements pirate software. And that's ok for commercial software (I'm thinking Adobe), the problem lies with pirating video games- which really hurts the industry.

I must say, this Rober Holleyman guy doesn't sound like a complete douche.

I wish people like him were running the RIAA and MPAA.

Businesses, in particular the larger one, pirate all the time. The difference is when they get caught they pay a small fine/some licensing fees, the lawyers argue it out in court, and its all swept under the rug. On top of that the media/software industries are not losing money due to pirating (look at any unbiased report, not the usual BS bought and paid for and parroted by the politicians), rather its a scapegoat used to justify putting through draconian laws.

@11796 Not going to argue on enterprise or business software, but you'll find in games that critics and review sites do just as much to kill the industry as what software pirates do. With equal advertising you notice that a game that is rated higher will sell a lot more copies than a game that is rated poorly. If the gaming industry wants to do well they need to quit putting out crappy games.

Pic or it didn't happen... does piracy and sales are mutually exclusive?

For commercial software, you're spot on...how many teenage can afford those commercial softwares?

Does this mean we are all safe? Or is the Bill still going through congress?

Yay

This is about taking control of the internet, pirating is just the excuse they need to do it. This WILL pass eventually no doubt.

It's still going....until it's voted down.

best point ever made, besides the video game stuff.
adobe doenst make money off of indaviduals who use the software, its tho pros who use it for work, you know, people who make a liveing off selling the work they do in those programs. hell its the only reason adobe is the standard software is that everyone has a coppy and learns to use it when young, and they go pro, what do they use? software they never seen before, or what they are use to.

video games on the other hand... piracy use to be even easier, you rent the software, and at the counter, they sold the blank floppy discs.

and a fact is that probably more people pirate a game on xbox than on the pc (some places have the statistic at 30+% pirate on xbox) compare that to the people who buy pc games because you cant play online (easily) without buying a coppy.




2000+ for adobe creative suite
8000+ for maya
3ds max is what 500ish for new versions

anyone for a non commercial use shouldn't have to pay, i mean really, how many people for a non $ have any of that software to begin with? students sure, but how many house holds?

and for non comertial use, they still put out a home version of some software that is way easier than the pro stuff, and people would still buy it just because its easier.

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personaly i love the quote "bad actors that profit from selling copies of software and other works they do not own." bring piracy laws to their original meaning, stopping people from selling the product.

I wish I could slap the guy that came up with the SOPA.

so the BSA, Google, and Facebook dislike this bill because it prevents kids from getting free video games? hmmm that's pretty unlikely so you might want to ask yourself WHY they don't like the bill. As the BSA says...the current proposal does not "balance key innovation, privacy and security considerations with the need to thwart the threat rogue websites pose."

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If there's a chance for congress to step on civil rights they will do it every time.

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He probably opposes this because it's nothing but another censorship bill....which the majority of the tech industry is actually against.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EsiT2YRwM8

Honestly, we pay time and again for the same movies. How many times do we have to buy the rights to a movie? I'm pretty sure we've more than paid for the shitty movies and music that get downloaded.

They should stop trying??? If henry ford had stopped trying to improve his product, we could all go out and buy a 2012 model T...top speed about 30mph.

It's not just about sellling somethin you dont own. If you put up full copies of the newest games on your website for anyone to download, and do it for free, no ad revenue even, thats still piracy. Thats no different than goin to a Ford plant, taking a car then putting it in your driveway and sayin anyone can have it for free. You and the person who takes it are both thieves.

Your analogy is very flawed... When you take a physical item from someone, they no longer have that item in their possession & are out of 1 vehicle. When software is transferred it is COPIED! (duplicated) & the person who it was taken from STILL HAS THE ITEM! By your argument, someone could make a scratch built Mustang & put all the badges on it & they are committing a crime even if they don't try to sell it as genuine?

do you really not get it.
in piracy talk, lets go the wheel. with a wheel you can anywhere you want, fast
what companys try to do is make the wheel less efficient, by having it down to an octagon
well the pirates have files, and they shave those down till its a round wheel again
really even if they made it a square, we would still have it down to a wheel, and it only effects the people who dont pirate it.

did ford ever make his technology less useful or easy to use? or did he make it better?




ok idea flawed. lets break it down.

you steal =/= pirate
one less =/= still one, but now there is another
selling what you stole =/= giveing it away for free
buying it =/= getting it for free

you have a point, kind of, but lets take what law things out of the equation and use common sense.

lets assume the person getting it is a 14 year old kind, and the person with it is an adult who knows how to skirt the law.

who is worse here,
the person selling it for money
the kid buying it
the law that can get the seller, but goes after the kid for prison sentence

or lets go this way

the person giveing it away
the person getting it
or the law that cant get the person giving it so it goes after the kid for a prison sentence.

and you have to imagine that there are alot of things that arent available in english or in america, but because of international copyright law, it could be far easier to go after certain groups who acquire the material, translate it and release it.

honestly the world of piracy is filled with grey area, old people who cant accept new tech, and people who embrace the tech, even if it goes outside of the law.

lets say movies for example, would it really be that bad to stream movies to computers they day they are in theaters for 10-20$ i mean it will be online, and i despise going to theaters
would it be so hard to put it online streaming with tv like comertials, to subset the cost of everything... i mean tv stations buy rights to play movies for a reason, they make a proffit off the adds, why not just cut the middle man out and stream it online like that.
and is it so hard to just put a tv show online to stream forever? its already built for comertials.

i despise how they try to stifle tech because they see people as only criminals who want to go see XXXX movie, and if it doesn't turn a proffit, blame piracy because your dog turd of a movie didnt do well.

IF piracy never existed gaming/technology would not have improved so much.

Piracy kiked LAN of the ground, and kept it high.
If it wasnt for piracy gaming wouldnt even be 1/3 as big as it is today.
if you can think for yourself then you would notice piracy is a neccesary Evil for progress.
and i dont care what people say Activision, EA, Blizzxard, Crytek, Unreal. those guys make millions, yet they tell me im harming the gaming sector... its not like they pay the creators after release. they only pay for the development.

so, creators got their money, the only thing that piracy does is increase the love for gaming, and almost every pirate i know buys games for online play. So... Either make a legendary game worth buying for Single player(Skyrim), or implement an awesome online. Then people will buy your game, if both are just blant... well you will get blant sales.

Points is, Piracy is a necessary evil in gaming industry, and movies make enough money as well, i see no point in giving some of those actors 5-10 mil for a movie.... heck if they get paid 500 000 it would be enough, but they are used to being spoiled, and they want to keep it like that.

The world is run by greed, and the greedy makes the most money from the uninformed.

Many Technological people found their passion for computers through LAN gaming. and majority of them i can guarantee you has pirated in their youth.

Piracy is needed, at best they should try to limit it, not stop it. i know a few people that lost their love for Technology due to less lan games, Which might thwart piracy, but who knows maybe that guy was gonna invent the next best thing.

Sometimes you need to compromise for progress.

i have to agree to some extent. developers get a certain percentage as a bouns too, sometimes.
actors get big money because they are the most necessary part of the movie. think if it, much of the crew is replaceable with anyone else in the field, and it would go by without a hitch, but directors and actors, both are linchpins in the operation. imagine a dirty harry without clint eastwood.

now, for gaming, piracy is a lesser need. software needs it, especially with photoshop like programs, and windows, where people get use to it, and know it so they use it in the pro field. but a game.......... yea..... aside from no demos, there is very little excusable reason to not buy it.

Thank You BSA

the entertainment industry is floundering... netflix was on the right track until they were hit with rediculous fees for new contracts. media companies need to get together and come up with a way to efficiently access a customized media channel for each user. for example; why do we have to pay for cable channels we don't use? why can't i fully customize a cable package for me? ESPN, G4, AMC, FX, FOOD... that is all i would watch, along with streaming movies of course. we are all getting fleeced by the rich and they want more from us for less every day