Ivy Bridge to Have a Maximum TDP of 77 Watts
Based on information leaked from Chiphell, the new Ivy Bridge processors will have a maximum of 77 watts TDP (thermal design power), which is down from 95 watts for the current Sandy Bridge.
VR-Zone has provided what looks to be leaked roadmaps for the upcoming Ivy Bridge processors for 2012. The information is coming out of a Chinese forum (Chiphell), so the information can be taken as such, until official word from Intel. Based on the information provided, the new Ivy Bridge processors look to a have a peak TDP (thermal design power) of 77W for their extreme processors. The Ivy Bridge TDP looks to range from 77W down to 35W on their "power optimized" CPUs.
The roadmap shows a complex diagram on Intel's plans for late Q1/early Q2 2012. The information on the left looks to be information on Intel's marketing segmentations for each processor. The map shows there will be the standard unlocked K SKU's, just like with current gen Sandy Bridge processors. Intel's shrink to 22nm, alongside with its new "3D transistors", looks to be helping push down the TDP on the new Ivy Bridge processors. The quad core 65W S and 45W T SKU's are similar to what we are seeing on current Sandy Bridge CPUs. The new Pentium Ivy Bridge SKU's gain DDR3 1600MHz memory support, along with the rest of the Ivy Bridge chips.
There doesn't seem to be much of a format change for the upcoming Ivy Bridge CPUs and their name format. The higher-end CPUs will start with the i7 tag with unlocked versions followed by a "K" and lower power models followed by "S/I". Medium range CPUs will start with the i5 tag and the lower ranges will have the usual i3 tag. The CPUs will start with Core i7 37xx, Core i5 35xx, 34xx and 33xx, Core i3 31xx. The Pentiums and Celerons are expected to get a fourth digit in front which will be a 2, so they will be Pentium G2xxx.
Intel looks to be taking a page from AMD on making the Ivy Bridge CPU scompatible with current gen Sandy Bridge platforms (though there are things to watch for). The easiest method is to go with the newer 7-series chipsets, which will support current gen Sandy Bridge and Ivy Bridge CPUs, according to Intel. If you are wanting to use your current motherboard, things get a little more difficult for the end-user. Bad news first, the Q67, Q65 and B65 chipsets will not support Ivy Bridge even with a motherboard firmware update. The Z68, P67, H67 and H61 chipsets look to all be compatible with a required UEFI update (this can be seen by recent announcements of motherboard makers coming out the PCIe Gen 3 support, which require the Ivy Bridge CPU). This will require a flash to Intel's ME8L (L for Legacy) UEFI code to provide support for Ivy Bridge on the motherboards (VR-Zone hints that the ME8L may not be available for updating at initial launch of Ivy Bridge).
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Meanwhile... Bulldozer is still a colossal failure
Way to not dissappoint Intel. Man, it's a shame AMD can't get it together.
"The Z68, P67, H67 and H61 chipsets look to all be compatible with a required UEFI update"
Where's the catch?
Well that is disheartening: How can I use my CPU as a space heater this winter if intel keeps lowering their desktop TDPs?...
Guess I have to get a new Dual GPU video card with a 1.5 KW PSU to make up the difference...
What a shame
Mobo backwards compatibility? From Intel? I'm surprised. Yes, not everything's compatible, and there's catches with everything else, but when's the last time there was any backwards compatibility in an Intel product?
The lower TDP is impressive. I wonder how much power IB will use.
Stupid question: Is Ivy Bridge supposed to be an upgrade to Sandy Bridge? Or is it strictly for low-powered applications?
early info, but looks very promising. here's hoping intel doesn't pull a cougar point or a bulldozer(more unlikely).
the leak doesn't seem to share much about ivb's igp which is rumored to be a big upgrade from hd3000.
configurable tdp is very welcome. will make those cpus even more power efficient.
i guess the backward compatibility is a result of intel putting less emphasis on desktop(still impressive) and more on laptop, ultrabooks, portables.
IN YOUR FACE AMD! Who drops sockets all the time now, huh? And that max TDP... in your face as well!
Stupid question: Is Ivy Bridge supposed to be an upgrade to Sandy Bridge? Or is it strictly for low-powered applications?
Its an update. It will be faster than sandy bridge.
Stupid question: Is Ivy Bridge supposed to be an upgrade to Sandy Bridge? Or is it strictly for low-powered applications?
It's the die shrink from 32nm to 22nm. The new architechture will be the one after Ivy Bridge.
AMD had better pull a rabbit out of its hat soon or Intel will stagnate.
AMD better working smart on their APU line, if not we are going back to the 1.5K US$ per celeron PC era soon
Awesome....this is worth the upgrade from my 130W i7 920
I dont give a shit about intel give me some bulldozer news.
THIS JUST IN: BULLDOZER SUCKS.
over clocked amd bulldozers are pulling over 450 watts lol
Stupid question: Is Ivy Bridge supposed to be an upgrade to Sandy Bridge? Or is it strictly for low-powered applications?
Better power efficiency, better internal graphics, smaller form factor.... take a guess! =)
AMD better working smart on their APU line, if not we are going back to the 1.5K US$ per celeron PC era soon
LOL! APUs are a totally different market and I hope Intel rolls over AMD's APUs at some point just for the hell of it - they can afford it!
"The Z68, P67, H67 and H61 chipsets look to all be compatible with a required UEFI update" Where's the catch?
It looks like the older chipsets would not have USB 3.0 support.
Looks interesting, but I hope Intel doesn't continue the current i7/5 trend of pricing i7 40-50% more for a 5-10% performance improvement over i5.
AMD had better pull a rabbit out of its hat soon or Intel will stagnate.
That IS the rabbit. When Amd released the Athlon 64 line Intel was stagnant on the Pentium 4 line and had not innovated since Pentium 2 was the colossal success it was.
The problem with Intel is they now have this huge refinement process that they have planned out until 2016, with the tick-tock cycle. They have teams and such commited to each new step of their evolution until the end of the decade, so its unlikely they will slow down and lay people off to not push the tech. They probably learned when they had to adopt AMDs 64 bit instruction set that they can't give them headroom.
Its good for the industry to have AMD competitive, but for the time being everyone is winning because Intel is trying to avoid another multi core / 64 bit disaster like at the turn of the century.
Should also mention, AMD is innovating on one front - they are pushing the core envelope in a way Intel isn't. It seems Ivy Bridge will still be a line of quad cores. If AMD gets a 16 core high end CPU that clocks as high as Bulldozer they would beat any quad core offering Intel could put out. So hopefully that gets Intel shoving more cores on the die.
That IS the rabbit. When Amd released the Athlon 64 line Intel was stagnant on the Pentium 4 line and had not innovated since Pentium 2 was the colossal success it was. The problem with Intel is they now have this huge refinement process that they have planned out until 2016, with the tick-tock cycle. They have teams and such commited to each new step of their evolution until the end of the decade, so its unlikely they will slow down and lay people off to not push the tech. They probably learned when they had to adopt AMDs 64 bit instruction set that they can't give them headroom.Its good for the industry to have AMD competitive, but for the time being everyone is winning because Intel is trying to avoid another multi core / 64 bit disaster like at the turn of the century.
I was just about to say that. If you look at what Intel has planned for the future (even the little information that is publicly available) you can see that they will be making more significant advances. These things have been planned for years and will not change because AMD does not have a competing processor. The only thing that may happen is that the new processors will be delayed by a few months and be $20-50 more expensive, but I'm not even sure that will happen.
I think I'll see what Bulldozer is like first...
Oh, wait...
It's the die shrink from 32nm to 22nm. The new architechture will be the one after Ivy Bridge.
I'm currently on a Phenom II x4 am2+ build. Assuming I want to ditch AMD, what would you recommend for an Intel build? I don't want to spend more than 400$ on the mobo/cpu and I can wait probably a year before truly requiring an upgrade..
The i5-2500K seems like the sweet spot but I also am clearly not educated on what Intel has on it's horizon
I was just about to say that. If you look at what Intel has planned for the future (even the little information that is publicly available) you can see that they will be making more significant advances. These things have been planned for years and will not change because AMD does not have a competing processor. The only thing that may happen is that the new processors will be delayed by a few months and be $20-50 more expensive, but I'm not even sure that will happen.
The problem is that "in general" applications don't scale well with higher number of cores. Also increasing the cores requires higher power consumption and lower frequecy. you can't just increase the core count. it's like the frequency war and we all know where that ended up. If you look at the latest benchmarks you can conclude that currently about every 2.3 cores from AMD has the same performance as 1 Core from Intel.
I'm currently on a Phenom II x4 am2+ build. Assuming I want to ditch AMD, what would you recommend for an Intel build? I don't want to spend more than 400$ on the mobo/cpu and I can wait probably a year before truly requiring an upgrade..The i5-2500K seems like the sweet spot but I also am clearly not educated on what Intel has on it's horizon
YOu should probobly wait until Q1 of 2012 then you will have the i5-35xxk and that will give you USB 3 and significantly better performance vs. the existing i5-2500. ALso since the TDP is dropping, if you are an OC then there is more headroom.
The Intel naming convention for cpu's is confusing me. I liked it better when it was something simple like Pentium, Pentium II, Pentium III, Pentium IV.
I really want these CPUs. I know USB 3 is coming with them and supposedly LightPeak ThunderPort or whatever it's called. With a much better IGP, this is truly the chip to wait for if they include the new interfaces on the updated motherboards.
Now, would someone please make a reliable SSD that doesn't slow down too much with added data that is 1 TB in size and costs under $400! Thank you.
"The Z68, P67, H67 and H61 chipsets look to all be compatible with a required UEFI update" Where's the catch?
no native USB3 support (though the mobo may add it though chips), limited or no PCIe3, slower memory support, etc.
I'm currently on a Phenom II x4 am2+ build. Assuming I want to ditch AMD, what would you recommend for an Intel build? I don't want to spend more than 400$ on the mobo/cpu and I can wait probably a year before truly requiring an upgrade..The i5-2500K seems like the sweet spot but I also am clearly not educated on what Intel has on it's horizon
The i5 is the sweet spot. The non-K version is wonderful and cheaper if you do not OC. Also Microcenter has dirt cheap prices on these processors, and killer discounts on high end boards if you buy the proc and mobo at the same time (granted their mobo selection is a bit slim compared to online retailers, but $80 off is mighty tempting).
As to the future; IB will be the same basic processor as the SB chips out today. There will be a die shrink, plus the 3D gates which will cut a lot of power consumption, especially at idle (which normally means higher OC headroom). Also they are adding USB3 and PCIe3 support, a better on-board GPU, and faster RAM support. This will be my proc as it will be the mature version of a great architecture.
The next year (2013ish assuming the world doesn't end
If you are itching to upgrade you wont have many regrets getting the current chips as IB will not be a major upgrade in performance (just effecency and features). But if you want to wait, IB will be out in late Q1 or early Q2 of next year which is not that far away in the grand scheme of things. I only upgrade my core system every 5 years, so it is worth it for me to wait for the faster graphics and memory buses. If you upgrade more often then why wait?
"The Z68, P67, H67 and H61 chipsets look to all be compatible with a required UEFI update" Where's the catch?
You're need to pay for firmware updates lol
Well that is disheartening: How can I use my CPU as a space heater this winter if intel keeps lowering their desktop TDPs?...Guess I have to get a new Dual GPU video card with a 1.5 KW PSU to make up the difference...What a shame
Just leave Crysis running on it...it will heat up