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Linux Creator Drops F-Bomb on Nvidia, ''Worst Company''

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During a Q&A session at Aalto University in Finland, Linus Torvalds describes Nvidia as being a major trouble spot for Linux, before suddenly turning to the camera with his middle-finger extended and a message for Nvidia: “F*** You!”.

Linus Torvalds expressed his displeasure for Nvidia when a member from the audience asked him how he felt about Nvidia's overall lack of support for Linux-based computers. The lack of driver support makes operating Nvidia Optimus difficult on Linux, and one would like to believe that since Nvidia is such a key player in the Android market (based on the Linux kernel) that they would have no problem cooperating with the Linux community.

“I know exactly what you're talking about and I'm very happy to say that it's the exception rather than the rule. And I'm also very happy to very publicly point out that Nvidia has been one of the worst trouble spots we have had with hardware manufacturers,” said Linus Torvalds, “And that is really sad because Nvidia tries to sell chips - a LOT of chips - into the Android market. And Nvidia has been the single worst company we have ever dealt with. So, Nvidia, fuck you!”

Unfortunately, Nvidia has found a way to make money from the Android Market with Tegra, but that doesn't mean they are obligated to support Linux any more than that. Perhaps giving them the finger will make them reconsider.

Interestingly, the last audience member to speak had recently joined Nvidia and stated that they are working on more Tegra support to please the Linux community, “Even though you gave me the finger, I still thank you!” to which Torvalds responded:

“I actually like being outrageous at times, it's amusing, I guarantee you if you make that video available on the Internet, there will be thousands of people really upset. I like offending people, because I think people who get offended should be offended.”

The entire Aalto Center Q&A video is available here and is worth watching in its entirety:

Linus Torvalds Nvidia F-Bomb

If you would like to skip to where the F-Bomb was dropped, click here.

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    DrinkTray , June 19, 2012 11:53 AM
    Don't sugar coat it, give it to me straight. Awesome.
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    cloudberry , June 19, 2012 12:20 PM
    rantocSo he cries that Nvidia doesn't make the same quality drivers for a OS with less than 2% market share compared to windows that enjoy a healthy 90%+ PC market-share. Thought Linus was more down to earth than putting up a finger to a company that have invested much more into Linux compared to what they gained from it.With a 1:45 ratio, increasing cost to make drivers to Linux due to the increasing fragmentation between the different Distros.What a shocker nVidia isnt polishing its drivers as much any more, if i were Nvidia it would been time to pull the plug competently after this way of saying thanks for your support!


    Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't a 2% market share still amount to millions of machines using Linux?
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    mayne92 , June 19, 2012 11:53 AM
    Hahaha that's epic...nice picture Billy ;) 
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  • 30 Hide
    DrinkTray , June 19, 2012 11:53 AM
    Don't sugar coat it, give it to me straight. Awesome.
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    mayne92 , June 19, 2012 11:53 AM
    Hahaha that's epic...nice picture Billy ;) 
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    MaxTesla , June 19, 2012 11:54 AM
    YEAH!
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    spp85 , June 19, 2012 12:08 PM
    Well figured. Its another F Bomb to nVidia fanboys.................
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    gilgamex , June 19, 2012 12:14 PM
    rantocSo he cries that Nvidia doesn't make the same quality drivers for a OS with less than 2% market share compared to windows that enjoy a healthy 90%+ PC market-share. Thought Linus was more down to earth than putting up a finger to a company that have invested much more into Linux compared to what they gained from it.With a 1:45 ratio, increasing cost to make drivers to Linux due to the increasing fragmentation between the different Distros.What a shocker nVidia isnt polishing its drivers as much any more, if i were Nvidia it would been time to pull the plug competently after this way of saying thanks for your support!


    You do realize that most servers use some type of linux? I don't know much about that driver situation but I'm sure Tesla gets a healthy dose of driver optimization for linux.
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    cloudberry , June 19, 2012 12:20 PM
    rantocSo he cries that Nvidia doesn't make the same quality drivers for a OS with less than 2% market share compared to windows that enjoy a healthy 90%+ PC market-share. Thought Linus was more down to earth than putting up a finger to a company that have invested much more into Linux compared to what they gained from it.With a 1:45 ratio, increasing cost to make drivers to Linux due to the increasing fragmentation between the different Distros.What a shocker nVidia isnt polishing its drivers as much any more, if i were Nvidia it would been time to pull the plug competently after this way of saying thanks for your support!


    Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't a 2% market share still amount to millions of machines using Linux?
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    Dangi , June 19, 2012 12:21 PM
    rantocSo he cries that Nvidia doesn't make the same quality drivers for a OS with less than 2% market share compared to windows that enjoy a healthy 90%+ PC market-share. Thought Linus was more down to earth than putting up a finger to a company that have invested much more into Linux compared to what they gained from it.With a 1:45 ratio, increasing cost to make drivers to Linux due to the increasing fragmentation between the different Distros.What a shocker nVidia isnt polishing its drivers as much any more, if i were Nvidia it would been time to pull the plug competently after this way of saying thanks for your support!


    Linux is way more than the 2% that you stated.

    Android is linux based, how many android phones are ??
    In the university you use linux.
    Almost all servers run on linux

    Yeah maybe the gaming market is not using linux so that's the reason why Nvidia doesn't develop drivers for them, but linux is way more than that 2% and is growing
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    rantoc , June 19, 2012 12:27 PM
    gilgamexYou do realize that most servers use some type of linux? I don't know much about that driver situation but I'm sure Tesla gets a healthy dose of driver optimization for linux.


    The argument about the server share of Linux installs further the argument that they gain less, not that many servers use powerful discrete gfx cards for instance. Working 2d drivers and the server part is mostly set. As for the Tesla range of cards i can imagine that the Cuda/OpenCL drivers have much more shared code base between the os's than the 3d gfx counterparts and thus are easier to maintain.

    Get me right i like Linux but i cant for the world understand Mr.Linux's way of thanking nVidia for their work.
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    blppt , June 19, 2012 12:27 PM
    How exactly does a server need incredibly optimized 3d acceleration? Arent most of them headless anyways? And its been a while since I ran any distro, but from what I remember, Nvidia's "closed source" drivers were better than any competitors open-source versions. This is likely just Linus whining (as he usually does) about Nvidia not open-sourcing its drivers like AMD has. Guess what Linus---their Windows drivers arent open-source either. Perhaps they just want to protect proprietary driver technology. Its up to them, you bloated self-righteous gasbag.
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    Harby , June 19, 2012 12:30 PM
    rantocSo he cries that Nvidia doesn't make the same quality drivers for a OS with less than 2% market share compared to windows that enjoy a healthy 90%+ PC market-share. Thought Linus was more down to earth than putting up a finger to a company that have invested much more into Linux compared to what they gained from it.With a 1:45 ratio, increasing cost to make drivers to Linux due to the increasing fragmentation between the different Distros.What a shocker nVidia isnt polishing its drivers as much any more, if i were Nvidia it would been time to pull the plug competently after this way of saying thanks for your support!


    Truth is that nVidia IS making money (or at least trying to) from Linux. Firstly through Android and secondly through Tesla.

    They have the full capacity and technical know-how to be very helpful to the linux and android community but they simply can't be arsed.

    This whole situation reminds me of my cell phone where nVidia refuses to open-source its Tegra2 drivers. Pretty much the very reason I won't buy another cellphone with Tegra X running inside.
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    jdamon113 , June 19, 2012 12:32 PM
    rantoc
    I agree with you about phones, and some servers, but not almost servers are linux. The server market belongs to Windows.
    Your linux server are running mostly appliances and some hosting items, But Windows is the top in the server world. Note this just becasue I am stating this dosen't mean I am a big windows fan. I like server 2008R2, It dam good. But my favorit OS is not longer relevent in todays world.
    I started out as a admin 15 years ago when Sun Solaris was king. I like Solaris, You want to try something awesome, Look at it.
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    A Bad Day , June 19, 2012 12:45 PM
    I've read that Nvidia Optimus is still broken for Windows.
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    hunshiki , June 19, 2012 12:52 PM
    Before anyone writes a stupid comment... watch the video please. Or at least the F part. So you will get what he meant. (He is rambling about the Optimus and cell phone chips. The desktop NVidia cards are A+ on Linux, and I guess he knows that. Or not, whatever. Also: His reaction is priceless when the guy stands and tells him he is from NVidia. Like a child who just regret everything he did.)
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    Anonymous , June 19, 2012 1:07 PM
    Yep, nvidia has a loyal army of fanboys who will defend them to the death. Just look at the nonsense above. Linus torvolds is a legend in the software world, but wow don't badmouth nvidia. The idiot fanboys will send you to the guillotine.
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    rantoc , June 19, 2012 1:16 PM
    veliasYep, nvidia has a loyal army of fanboys who will defend them to the death. Just look at the nonsense above. Linus torvolds is a legend in the software world, but wow don't badmouth nvidia. The idiot fanboys will send you to the guillotine.


    Speak bad about mr/product/legend/whatever xxx and its the guillotine no matter how valid the statements are and what they are about. People always have different perspectives of things and it would seem the maturity level in the debates always drops when its the underdog vs xxx debates.
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    nikorr , June 19, 2012 1:19 PM
    Not bad, but bad enough.
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    back_by_demand , June 19, 2012 1:27 PM
    gilgamexYou do realize that most servers use some type of linux? I don't know much about that driver situation but I'm sure Tesla gets a healthy dose of driver optimization for linux.

    Do many servers use Tegra chips?
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    matt_b , June 19, 2012 1:29 PM
    rantocSo he cries that Nvidia doesn't make the same quality drivers for a OS with less than 2% market share compared to windows that enjoy a healthy 90%+ PC market-share. Thought Linus was more down to earth than putting up a finger to a company that have invested much more into Linux compared to what they gained from it.With a 1:45 ratio, increasing cost to make drivers to Linux due to the increasing fragmentation between the different Distros.What a shocker nVidia isnt polishing its drivers as much any more, if i were Nvidia it would been time to pull the plug competently after this way of saying thanks for your support!

    You're missing the point, Linux/Unix is everywhere, way above and beyond what you may recognize as just Ubuntu. The fact that Nvidia produces products supporting and running from the OS, and then doesn't back it up with good drivers leaves many puzzled - here is the main argument with (desktop) market share aside.
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