Logitech's Romer-G Switches: Are They Any Good?
What's that there? A big Romer-G button?When Logitech came out with its G910 Orion Spark keyboard, it seemed more like a "me too" attempt at a mechanical RGB-lit keyboard than anything new. You may agree that the name for the keyboard, "Orion Spark," and the name for the switches, "Romer-G," seemed like marketing fluff, so when Logitech invited us to have a tour through its G-Labs in Lausanne, Switzerland, we decided to peek around a little and see if these Logitech products actually delivered.
Logitech was very open about everything, so we asked if we could interview one of the engineers. For this story we were not so much interested in the keyboard itself (because our sister site Tom's Guide already has a review up), but rather the Romer-G switches that it features because there is so little information on them out there. We already got a lot of information throughout the tour, but addressed any remaining questions to Peter Mah, the Sr. Program Manager at Logitech.
The first thing we were wondering about is why Logitech decided to make new switches. The answer to that was simple: the Cherry MX switches are old, and they were never designed for gaming. Also, while the Cherry MX RGB switches are somewhat redesigned to offer better lighting, they still aren't quite up to snuff. (We should also mention here that Cherry has an exclusive deal with Corsair for its Cherry MX RGB switches.)
So, what has Logitech done with its Romer-G switches? Quite a lot, it seems. For starters, they feature an entirely new design that uses seven individual parts. The switch itself has a spring inside, dual contacts to register the actuation, and a landing pad to soften the bottoming out of a keypress.
The design has a shorter travel distance, a higher actuation point of just 1.5 mm, and an actuation force of 45 grams. Logitech claims that the keys are therefore 25 percent faster, which should help responsiveness in gaming.
Unfortunately, due to the different stem design you won't be able to swap the keycaps for Cherry MX-compatible caps.
Logitech guarantees that the Romer-G switches will live for 70 million presses, which is 40 percent more than the 50 million keypresses that the Cherry MX keys are good for. On top of that, the company showed a video of the switches still working after 90 million actuations.
What's more interesting about the Romer-G switches, though, is the lighting. The stem of the key, on which the keycap sits, goes around the metal spring rather than inside it. This leaves enough room inside the spring for a lens that brings the light from the LED on the PCB up into the keycap. The reason Logitech designed them this way is simple: it allows the entire top of the key to be brightly lit up (as opposed to only half for Cherry MX keys), and it ensures that no light is leaked underneath the key. The best part is, Logitech achieved exactly that. The end result is very stunning.
Logitech also redesigned the keycaps. Rather than the standard cylindrical hollowing, Logitech built the Romer-G keycaps with angular sides that guide your finger into place. Originally, the raised part was 1.7 mm tall, which the professional gamers seemed to love but typists didn't, so the engineers lowered it to 1.2 mm above the top base of the keycap.
The feel of the Romer-G switch doesn't correlate to any Cherry MX switch. If I were to describe it, I'd say that Logitech's solution feels like a Cherry MX Brown switch with O-rings installed. It therefore feels a little more like a rubber dome than a mechanical switch, but not at all in a bad way.
In fact, after some getting used to, they are actually quite comfortable to type on. The keycaps on them aren't my personal favorite, though, as their different shape had my fingers getting lost from time to time. Peter Mah said that these take about two weeks to get used to, and after typing on a review unit at home for about a week I am slowly starting to agree.
The end result of Logitech's efforts makes one thing clear. The company did not build the Romer-G keys in order to circumvent the exclusive deal that Corsair has with Cherry, but rather because it saw that the Cherry MX switches simply showed their age. Having played with both of them, we can't disagree either, and Logitech has done an excellent job at building a new mechanical switch.
Now, if only the company would make a keyboard with this switch that features a more professional appearance and keycaps that are friendlier to typists.
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I am excited to see the proliferation of mechanical switches in keyboards, and will have to hunt one of these down to see how they feel. Then I'll wait for some better key-caps to show up.
Okay, use those switches - in a regular shaped keyboard and keys... with an improved layout. I would REALLY REALLY love to buy a modern keyboard that works worth a damn.
Todays keyboards use decals for the lettering. They tend to last months, maybe a year or two... and I'm talking about a $20~50 name brand product.
Also, because its hard to see the lettering on a black keyboard - in a not-so-bright room, it needs to be lit. We need more white keyboards folks.
This is *WHY* I'm still using a 1995 era generic-clone of the MS Natural keyboard... because pretty much NOBODY makes them like this. These were sold by Lite-ON, Mouse Systems, Dell and others:
http://forum.clubedohardware.com.br/uploads/monthly_06_2008/post-715-13884947336895.gif
This keyboard sold for $25~35. It has a nice big L-shaped ENTER key and a nice BIG Backspace key. (With most keyboards - you don't get both). How did they do this? They made the standard way-to-large right-shift key smaller and moved the |\ (pipe) key to a better location.
How I would make a MODERN new keyboard (ergonomic or not) - Very much the layout in the photo. But I'd like the page-island keys rotated and the mostly useless Insert key off in order to make the DELETE KEY larger - like this Logitech:
http://content.hwigroup.net/images/products/xl/016594/logitech_media_keyboard_600.jpg
Actually almost like that layout... as the Scroll Lock / Pause-break keys are rarely ever used. The DUMB thing about this keyboard... is that the right SHIFT key is HUGE - while they stupidly made the LEFT shift key TINY because they duplicated the PIPE \ key ( |\) on both sides of the keyboard - making the ENTER and L-Shift keys smaller. When that key should be below the ENTER key (like my first example) which still allows the R-Shift to be a decent size.
That is the keyboard *I* want...!
As of today... I'm using my 2nd SK-6000 keyboard (1st photo) which I found at a thrift store for $10. I put my original 1995 version in storage - not because its broken, but because they keys have a bit more wear and mostly because it has a HUGE AT style keyboard connector which I use PS/2 Adapter (this is about 2" long) plugged into a PS/2 extender cable (because having a 3" of plug sticking out of a PS2 connector is too damn heavy and space issues).
(For those in full forum mode - click on the quotes ICON at top - so you can see the pics without clicking on the link)
I have never had any of those issues with Logitech keyboards.
Yeah that is true, but the key spacing isn't much of an issue for me, considering that I have large hands. Also, Logitech said on Reddit that they're working on adding more features. I think they rushed the G910+ so that they could get it out for the holidays.
The Keyboard has a smartphone dock and an app to replace the screen. I like this sollution but I would like to see more funcionality as in Roccat's Power-Grid or Razer's Switchblade. Right now it doesn't have the functionality to replace the G15/G19 display. But there was a nice community creating stuff for the display, so I think think things will work out eventually.
I still have a 1st gen. G15 wich still works fine (I do have the slow BIOS reaction). The reason I bought this keyboard, was for the 18 G-keys, but after I bought a G13 They where hardly needed. 9 G-keys wi be more then enough.
Only thing I hope for now, is that Logitech makes a new G13 that matches the design of the G910 and that my old one breaks down
The only 2 things I have to complayn about is:
You can´t dissable buttons I mean that unnassasary cap where I always get on is "caps lock" ...hate that one....and the second thing is:
As I got the keyboard I wanted to try direktly the possibilety to conect my phone, the big dissepointment where that the slot was actually just a slot to hold you mobile screen. There is no way to connect via USB on keyboard weell...playing for 8h doesn´t work with your mobilephone :-/
But it looks nice with my ASUS fonepad on see link ;-)
I really recomend that keyboard not only for the lighting effects also for the great work with the Roma caps...nicely done. (we will see in a couple of monthes)
CORSAIR K70
POSITIVES: The Corsair K70 is very solid and looks great. The wrist rest is very comfortable and the keyboard stays in place on my glass-topped desk no matter how aggressive I get with it while gaming. For a while I wondered where it had been all my (gaming) life.
NEGATIVES: The Corsair K70 keys have a lot of travel distance and can get very fatiguing if you're transitioning from a membrane keyboard. The keys are also very loud. People on voice chat constantly complain about its CLACK CLACK CLACK. It also tends to double-press letters so I have to do a lot of proofreading and retyping. The lighting is uneven under the keys. The worst feature of the Corsair K70 is that the lights began to fail after only a few months. This is a BIG DEAL since the lights were the main reason I chose the Corsair K70 over other mechanical keyboards.
LOGITECH G910
POSITIVES: Since the switches are designed to be illuminated the keys are very bright and clearly lit. The keys are also soft to press and relatively quiet. This could be related to how shallow the key-travel is compared to the Corsair K70. If you're transitioning from a membrane keyboard the Logitech G910 should feel natural. Since I'm transitioning from the Corsair K70, my fingers feel like they're on vacation while typing. I don't mind the shape of the key caps at all, but I'm a touch-typist and my fingers go where they're supposed to without any sliding.
NEGATIVES: Although the Logitech G910 comes with two wrist wrests, I had to choose the one I disliked the least. Neither are really wrist rests, they're just cosmetic clip-ons. There's a frame underneath that provides the actual support. The smaller clip-on fits better on the frame so I use that one. The rear support props have very little grip so when I use them the keyboard slides around on my desk. The keycap letters seem to have a natural bluish tint so they can't do white or yellow lights. White comes out blue and yellow comes out green.
OVERALL
In the end, both keyboards have the same key layout so choosing one is really deciding which keys and wrist rest you like. I like the ROMER-G switches of the Logitech G910 better than the Cherry switches of the Corsair K70. I like the shape of the keyboard and the wrist rest of the Corsair K70 better. The tie-breaker is the lights. In my opinion the Logitech is the winner in lighting and the utility to configure them is intuitive to use.