MSI Calls Out Gigabyte for "Not True PCIe 3.0"
MSI calls out Gigabyte on its claims of having 40 PCIe Gen3 ready motherboards and wants to set the story straight.
MSI put together a presentation to detail information on what it feels is a true PCIe Gen3 motherboard. MSI is pointing out that, from its view, Gigabyte's claim on having 40 PCIe Gen3 boards isn't true.
MSI shows that its motherboards utilize Pericom 34xx (Gen3) switch chips, whereas Gigabyte utilizes Pericom 24xx (Gen2) switch chips. To fully utilize PCIe Gen3, all components are required to be Gen3 compliant to operate at 32 GB/s (CPU, PCIe Slot and GPU).
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MSI said that it did some PCI-Express electrical testing using a 22 nm Ivy Bridge processor sample to show the bandwidth seen on Gigabyte's P67A-UD4-B3 and MSI's MSI Z68A-GD65 (G3).
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MSI states through their review that the only true PCIe Gen3 ready Gigabyte motherboard is the G1.Sniper 2.
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WOW, what a big slap in the face of Gigabyte
Ouch!
oh shizz just got real ?
damn, I was all set to buy a Gigabyte board. Now I may have to rethink my plans...
damnnnnnnn giga got raped
never seen this type of pwnage before
Either way i've never owned a gigabyte product, I've felt they're third tier products at a second tier price. I've been running an Asus board for years and it hasn't caused me problems yet!
Looks correct to me.
Just found the data sheet from the manufacture of the chip used by Gigabyte:
http://www.pericom.com/pdf/datasheets/PI3PCIE2415.pdf
BAHAHA, cheers MSI. =D
Look out! here comes the MSI Motherboard Police! but you can still get this Asrock motherboard http://www.asrock.com/mb/overview. [...] me3%20Gen3 PCIE-3 ready.
ZOINKS!!!
wow....this coming from a company with a laughable track record...
So, any actual proof of MSI's claims....or is all the "proof" supplied by MSI? Also, did anyone else notice that the pics show different motherboards? The first comparison shows the Gigabyte GA-Z68X-UD7-B3, while the 5th pic shows the Gigabyte GA-P67A-UD4-B3....and on Gigabyte's website, there's no claim of PCIe 3.0 compatibility. In fact, for the GA-P67A-UD4-B3, Gigabyte actually states that all PCI Express slots conform to Gen2 specs....surprisingly enough, the same notice is posted on the spec page for the GA-Z68X-UD7-B3... So, exactly where is Gigabyte claiming these 2 boards support PCIe 3.0 when they list them as being PCIe Gen2 on the spec pages for both products? From what I can find, it seems MSI is simply grabbing at straws and using fraud as a marketing tool. Gotta love the purely false claim on the last page of their marketing scheme..."Only MSI Has True PCI Express GEN3"....so, I guess the PCIe3.0 controllers on newer ASRock boards are just a figment of my imagination....
So....where is this software that MSI used to "test" these slots and determine that Gigabyte is using PCIe Gen1 slots on the GA-P67A-UD4-B3... I'd like to publicly bitch slap MSI by proving the results are false.
+1 to MSI for the giant "FAIL" stamp on the bottom of the last slide.
If you're gonna throw down with a competitor you gotta go all out and that's about as far you can go on a professional Power Point presentation.
Next up, all members of congress must where a FAIL stamp on their forehead imposed by the American People until they balance the national budget.
So painful
wow....this coming from a company with a laughable track record...So, any actual proof of MSI's claims....or is all the "proof" supplied by MSI? Also, did anyone else notice that the pics show different motherboards? The first comparison shows the Gigabyte GA-Z68X-UD7-B3, while the 5th pic shows the Gigabyte GA-P67A-UD4-B3....and on Gigabyte's website, there's no claim of PCIe 3.0 compatibility. In fact, for the GA-P67A-UD4-B3, Gigabyte actually states that all PCI Express slots conform to Gen2 specs....surprisingly enough, the same notice is posted on the spec page for the GA-Z68X-UD7-B3... So, exactly where is Gigabyte claiming these 2 boards support PCIe 3.0 when they list them as being PCIe Gen2 on the spec pages for both products? From what I can find, it seems MSI is simply grabbing at straws and using fraud as a marketing tool. Gotta love the purely false claim on the last page of their marketing scheme..."Only MSI Has True PCI Express GEN3"....so, I guess the PCIe3.0 controllers on newer ASRock boards are just a figment of my imagination....So....where is this software that MSI used to "test" these slots and determine that Gigabyte is using PCIe Gen1 slots on the GA-P67A-UD4-B3... I'd like to publicly bitch slap MSI by proving the results are false.
Sounds like a Gigabyte employee...lmao.
"22 nm Ivy Bridge processor sample"...meaning Ivy is just around the corner and yet another delay for Bulldozer. BD is going to be irrelevant before it's even released.
Sounds like a Gigabyte employee...lmao.
Actually it sounds like someone who has had every MSI board they've owned fail (like me!). Except they are a little more verbose about it.
I consider Gigabyte to be a solid choice for motherboards when you're on a budget ($50 mobos that don't suck!). If I have >$100 to spend on a mobo, then I'll look Asus. They're better, but with that comes extra cost.
Neither brands have failed on me, save for a 5 yr old Asus that I thoroughly abused and overclocked. Frankly, I'm surprised it lasted that long.
+1 to MSI for the giant "FAIL" stamp on the bottom of the last slide.If you're gonna throw down with a competitor you gotta go all out and that's about as far you can go on a professional Power Point presentation.Next up, all members of congress must where a FAIL stamp on their forehead imposed by the American People until they balance the national budget.
Got some benchmarks to show that they're wrong?
misquoted, sorry ikefu, meant to quote sykozis
LoL Corporate trolling
And... as far as we know, pcie 3 is still just an intel gimmick that won't amount to sh!t in the real world... i guess we'll find out sooner or later. Until all the pieces of the pcie 3 puzzle (cpu + board + gpu) come together, its wasted e-ink.
pwned power point style... like..... we need more whistle blowers to sound out all of the monkeys, not just in tech but globally.
Gigabyte just got Gigabytch-slapped
What bothers me the most is that they show Gigabyte's boards stepping back to PCIe 1 when switching to dual x8 slot config. I took a look at my Asus board, and how the video cards connect, and they're connecting at PCIe 2 speeds. Stepping all the way back from PCIe 2 x16 to PCIe 1 x8 is a huge drop in bandwidth, and a lot of wasted resources.
And... as far as we know, pcie 3 is still just an intel gimmick that won't amount to sh!t in the real world... i guess we'll find out sooner or later. Until all the pieces of the pcie 3 puzzle (cpu + board + gpu) come together, its wasted e-ink.
What would be most useful would be having a bridge chip that would take the PCIe 3 x16 interface from the CPU and bridge it to 4 PCIe 2 x8 or 2 PCIe 2 x16 slots for CrossfireX or SLI 3 way capability without a major loss of performance.
I've been reading wikipedia & it had written that the ivy bridge & panther point chipsets will have native intel 3.0 support & there you have it! These new intel chipsets will not come out for another 6 to 7 months approximately.
Also Z77 motherboards will be part of the panther point chipsets that will be using ivy bridge processors. Ivy bridge processors as I understand the write up from wikipedia said that you will be able to install an ivy bridge cpu into a cougar point motherboard e.g.:-Z68,P8P67,etc.
To tell the truth I was thinking of getting a G1.sniper,but it costs around $500- up & below that figure that I have given.
That is going to leave a mark!
Always liked Gigabyte boards for builds but good point MSI and your Twin fan MSI GTX 560Ti I have works great.
Will have to look hard at MSI on my next build, if I ever do one again.
Sounds like a Gigabyte employee...lmao.
No, it sounds like an informed and objective individual that actually looked at facts and the context of a marketing scheme between two (in this case) competitors. You don't seriously think that Gigabyte would falsify such basic data as technical specifications, do you? And you don't seriously believe that MSI constructed an objective campaign to discredit one of their most viable competitors, do you?