More Details Emerge on Nvidia's Kal-El: Quint-Core?
Nvidia's Kal-El chip's been touted as a quad-core solution, but we've found an additional core that will give the four others some needed companionship.
Two whitepapers published this morning by Nvidia reveal more details on the company's next-gen Tegra SoC, better known as Kal-El or Tegra 3. Previous reports pegged the Kal-El SoC with four ARM Cortex processors and an additional 12-core GeForce GPU. This combination was touted as being able to deliver unprecedented mobile performance at the same power consumption of the Tegra 2.
More cores generally means more power consumption, which is why Nvidia's previous claims seemed a bit unrealistic. However, it turns out that Kal-El is technically a quint-core SoC, because it features a fifth "companion" CPU core that handles low overhead tasks such as syncing email, playing a ring tone, and keeping applications alive in standby mode.
In its implementation, Nvidia's borrows a feature of Qualcomm's design. Dual-core Snapdragons are some of the best ARM designs because the company uses low-power silicon and an asymmetric processor scheme (like Intel's TurboBoost except that each core is allowed to run at a different speed). The result is a very low power consumption processor that delivers incredible performance. (Read Third-Generation Snapdragon: The Dual-Core Scorpion for more information on Qualcomm's SnapDragon.)
| Kal-El | Companion CPU Core | Main CPU Cores (Symmetric Processing) |
|---|---|---|
| # of Cores | 1 | 4 |
| Function | Power-Optimized (Standby) | Performance |
| Architecture | Cortex A9 | Cortex A9 |
| Process Technology | Low Power (LP) | General |
| Operating Frequency | 0 MHz to 500 MHz | 0 MHz to Max GHz |
There are two problems with Qualcomm's approach. One, the lower power fab process is expensive and the yields aren't nearly as good as they are with general-fab. Two, operating systems (such as Android) manage processes based on the assumption that each core runs at the same speed. This isn't a problem for an asymmetric multi-core processor since most tasks on ARM aren't that intensive. However, in the future, the desktop-friendly Windows environment is going to be shipped on ARM-based notebooks and tablets.
We've seen the consequences of using a tablet more like a notebook or desktop; most folks have a tendency to hunt-and-peck for keys when they type on virtual keyboards. As a result, you don't feel the lack of performance as acutely because there's plenty of time for the system to process between each action. However, with a physical keyboard attached, typing becomes second nature again. As you start working more productively, you're faced with the realization that long pauses between commands are going to become more common. (Check out the video embedded above for a demonstration of the Tegra 2-powered Asus Eee Pad Transformer.)
Nvidia's quint-core Kal-El is an innovative way to forgo many of the technical issues with low power silicon while still reaping the benefit of long battery life and high performance. Early benchmarks are impressive. We've seen a case where two flash-heavy websites were running on a Kal-El tablet without any of the stuttering scrolling experiences on Tegra 2-devices.
On the graphics end, early benchmarks put Nvidia back in the performance game. Even with Honeycomb 3.2, Tegra 2 couldn't match the performance of the dual-core PowerVR SGX543MP2 found inĀ Apple's A5 (iPad 2). The third-gen Tegra SoC is expected to deliver 50 percent better graphics performance, which puts Kal-El near (if not slightly ahead of) the SGX543MP2.
However, Nvidia has its work cut out with Imagination Technologies being the current graphics leader in mobile computing. Kal-El will give Nvidia a big step forward, but competitors aren't sitting still either. Sony's upcoming Playstation Vita will be powered by a quad-core SGX543MP4 (basically double GPU horsepower of the iPad 2). Apple's iPad 3 also is likely to use an upgraded graphics solution also contracted from Imagination Technologies. Nvidia may have another card up its sleeve with Wayne (fourth-gen Tegra) slated to be released in 2012.
Either way, you can expect third-gen Tegra devices to be available within the next couple of months (in time for Christmas).
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Yup. Waiting for that Asus transformer 2!
Am I the only one that thinks it's cool that a tablet/phone proc can run Lost Planet 2?
I wonder if that fifth "companion" core is on a separate die called "The Fortress of Solitude"
The "Snapdragon" story URL links back to this page. Not wherever it was supposed to go.
Still sucks compared to AMD Fusion platform.
Still sucks compared to AMD Fusion platform.
that's like comparing apples to oranges. These are SoC's we are dealing with with extremely low power profiles, AMD fusion is desktop and notebook CPU's/APU's that consume high amounts of power.
Let me know when a netbook can play Starcraft 2, then I'll be interested.
2010-tegra with one core
2011- tegra with two cores+tegra with 4 cores
2012- tegra with...(8?) cores.
2015- tegra with 64 cores! Wooo! exciting future!
The "Snapdragon" story URL links back to this page. Not wherever it was supposed to go.
Fixed!
Cheers,
Andrew Ku
TomsHardware.com
Kal whatever. AMD destroys that thing.
Very good idea. Instead of making it a race to pack as many cores in as possible, start tuning cores to specific applications.
Very good energy-saving idea by Nvidia. Even gamers don't need ultimate energy monsters all the time. Now I wonder how long it will take for people to start asking if it runs Crysis 2 at full.
mmm companion core... is like the companion cube, but a core?
Let me know when a netbook can play Starcraft 2, then I'll be interested.
the netbook with AMD APU can play it
Anyone else see the term "Console Class Gaming". If you're trying to promote high-end gaming you should call it "PC Enthusiast Gaming".
Console class is a bad thing. 30FPS at sub HD resolutions.
Hmm... is the companion core Krypto the Superdog? LOL
That GPU looks pretty small...
Tegra 3 (Transformer TF201) doesn't really come near the iPad 2's graphics performance, but nVidia achieved their goal of 2+ times the performance of Tegra 2.
http://glbenchmark.com/result.jsp? [...] op&oldal=0
Tegra 3 (Transformer TF201) doesn't really come near the iPad 2's graphics performance, but nVidia achieved their goal of 2+ times the performance of Tegra 2.http://glbenchmark.com/result.jsp? [...] op&oldal=0
How do you know if it's come near the iPad2 performance if the chip isn't even out yet? There isn't even an tegra3 powered device on the list you mentioned.
Tegra 3 (Transformer TF201) doesn't really come near the iPad 2's graphics performance....
Since when was the iPad 2 1280x720? Here's the Tegra 2 Vs iPad2 from the same site.
Notice how the Tegra2 outshines the iPad2 in most tests... strange.
Check out GL1.1 this was before this site sold out to the Ipad and optimized their code to run on Steve's cool-aid
That's an awful lot of cores to put on a small die. Ambitious? Yes. But as Tegra 2 has shown NVidia can really up the ante of mobile horsepower.
This might not be a bad idea for desktop / laptop systems. A special core dedicated just for processing background / low overhead tasks with the beefy cores being used on-demand.
Four monster cores to heavy workloads, and a small, low-power core to handle the system while idle? But...
I thought of that last year...
Why??? Why didn't I patent it!! Why.......
geez, nvidia fanboys are doing everything to defend the tegra. I guess I'd better join in.
Kal-El is 1337 rape arse performance. stfu haters. I've never seen a benchmark on it, but nvidia's marketing makes it sweet enough, so i know it's good!
As much as I''m disliking every piece of news of Windows 8 features I can actually see how it would work perfectly with the Transformer Eee Pad. When in tablet form it should use Metro UI and when docked it should turn to the normal Windows environment.
It's brilliant, if they ever do it I'll buy one.
Must... not... make... Portal jokes...
that's like comparing apples to oranges. These are SoC's we are dealing with with extremely low power profiles, AMD fusion is desktop and notebook CPU's/APU's that consume high amounts of power.
The CPU part of Brazos can certainly scale down very low (sub-1W per core I believe), however without a weaker GPU, it's pretty much consigned to a different power bracket.
So uhh SoC = Superman on Crack ??? LOL
The CPU part of Brazos can certainly scale down very low (sub-1W per core I believe), however without a weaker GPU, it's pretty much consigned to a different power bracket.
That's like saying a highend Ferrari engine can be scaled down to the same fuel consumption rate as a Ford Fiesta. Sure, if you idle the Ferrari motor at the same time you hold the Fiesta at full throttle your fuel usage might look similar. But, a Ferrari engine at idle is not nearly as useful as a Fiesta at full throttle no matter how much cooler you think that Ferrari engine might be.
Besides, a Ferrari engine and a Fiesta aren't even the same thing. One is only an engine, and the other is an entire car. AMD's APU's are just that, APU's. They are not SoC's. APU's consist of built-in components for both CPU functions and GPU functions. In AMD's case they also contain a few of the typical north bridge components such as the RAM interface controllers. As integrated as these APU devices are, they are still not SoC's. SoC's include everything needed to run the system, except for, in most cases, the storage device (i.e. HDD, SSD, etc.) and the RAM. Sometimes they even throw in the kitchen sink, so to speak, by including other, usually separate, devices that typically help with connectivity. These can include WiFi controllers, network interface controllers, USB controllers, SATA controllers, and even GSM/CDMA controllers.
So as you can see, unless AMD can pack all of those things on to a single chip, and then come "close" to the power consumption of the Tegra SoC's, then you can try to draw a comparison.
Oh and I'm not ragging on you, just informing several posters on here who seem to be confused as to what type of device this article is even referenceing.
My point was that the Brazos cores can be run to use exceptionally low amounts of power, and if there was a GPU weaker than those employed by A- and C- series APUs to bolt on, then yes, we could end up with two comparative products, albeit with one being x86/64.
AMD employs the C- series for its lowest power work for lack of having anything even weaker/more frugal for the task.