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Google Says Microsoft Uses Patents When Its Products Fail

By - Source: San Francisco Chronicle | B 52 comments

According to a Google lawyer, Microsoft brings out its patent guns when its products fail and it's cornered in the market.

In an interview with the San Francisco Chronicle, Google patent lawyer Tim Porter says that the patent system itself is broken thanks to a patent office that granted protection to "broad, vague or unoriginal ideas masquerading as inventions." Now Microsoft is reportedly abusing that broken system by stockpiling dubious patents and "taxing" those supplying Google's Android operating system.

"When their products stop succeeding in the marketplace, when they get marginalized, as is happening now with Android, they use the large patent portfolio they've built up to get revenue from the success of other companies' products," Porter said, also pointing out that Microsoft used a similar tactic with Linux.

The Chronicle opens the interview with a short history of Google's battle with Microsoft, Apple and Oracle who stands firm with a claim that Android was built using technology protected by their patents. Oracle has sued Google outright while Apple and Microsoft have attacked companies using the operating system in question. The major players have even scrambled to build their patent portfolios, eventually pushing Google into claiming that competitors were purposely banding together to "tax" the highly popular Android.

But as previously stated, Porter blames the current firepower against Android on the patent office itself. "I think what many people can agree on is the current system is broken and there are a large number of software patents out there fueling litigation that resulted from a 10- or 15-year period when the issuance of software patents was too lax," he said. "Things that seemed obvious made it through the office until 2007, when the Supreme Court finally said that the patent examiners could use common sense."

"Patents were written in a way that was vague and overly broad," he added. "(Companies are) trying to claim something that's really an idea (which isn't patentable). There are only so many ways to describe a piston, but software patents are written by lawyers in a language that software engineers don't even understand. They're being used to hinder innovation or skim revenue off the top of a successful product."

According to Porter, the legal system should say you shouldn't patent something that's obvious. There also needs to be real standards for what is patentable. Even more, patents are supposedly a form of property -- if there aren't clear boundaries, then the "property" system doesn't work. Damages, injunctions and remedies also should be proportional to the value of the invention, not the "astronomical damages" Apple and Microsoft are currently seeking in court.

Porter also goes on to debunk Microsoft's patent attorney Horacio GutiƩrrez's statement that the current swarm of lawsuits is an unfortunate-but-normal historic event that follows "disruptive" technologies. "Microsoft was our age when it got its first software patent," he said. "I don't think they experienced this kind of litigation in a period when they were disrupting the established order. So I don't think it's historically inevitable."

"The period of intense patent assertions (against things like the steam engine) resulted in decades-long periods of stagnation," he added. "Innovation only took off when the patents expired."

To read the full interview, head here.

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    ChiefTexas_82 , November 7, 2011 11:50 PM
    Quote:
    Microsoft brings out its patent guns when its products fail and it's cornered in the market.
    "
    As Opposed to Apple, who brings out its patent guns when they LEAD the market???
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    el33t , November 7, 2011 11:17 PM
    "X Uses Patents When Its Products Fail"

    Isn't that like a general strategy used by companies whose product fail or who fear getting their product beaten down by competitors?
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    Benihana , November 7, 2011 11:16 PM
    I get the feeling that Mr. Porter enjoys using his brain quite frequently. Here here!
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  • 20 Hide
    Benihana , November 7, 2011 11:16 PM
    I get the feeling that Mr. Porter enjoys using his brain quite frequently. Here here!
  • 25 Hide
    el33t , November 7, 2011 11:17 PM
    "X Uses Patents When Its Products Fail"

    Isn't that like a general strategy used by companies whose product fail or who fear getting their product beaten down by competitors?
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    Kamab , November 7, 2011 11:17 PM
    Seem like good points. Doubt it will go anywhere though.
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    clonazepam , November 7, 2011 11:19 PM
    This is bull... we all know damned well that Google wants to expand its portfolio as well and plans to do the same thing...
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    ujaansona , November 7, 2011 11:21 PM
    Gentlemen, don't behave childishly.
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    ThisIsMe , November 7, 2011 11:39 PM
    It's funny because what he really means is, "When we (Google) use patented stuff in our products and then get into legal trouble over it, and it's obvious that we messed up, we blame the system and want it fixed. It also helps us when we say things like this because many of our supporters (read fans of open source) hate Microsoft, hate patents and/or the patent system and also they hate Microsoft. So this is a smart thing for me to say. Did I mention they hate Microsoft?"

    What's also funny is that Google has never really hesitated in the past to protect it's IP when it felt it was in the right and could win in the courts.

    What's sad is that Microsoft, as far as I've been able to find, has not directly threatened anyone. They have however approached many of their partners with what could only be a viable way to keep both parties satisfied. They cannot directly go after Google because it gives the software away to be distibuted by the product manufacturers. It's not hard really. If Google doesn't like it, all they have to do is come up with a different way of doing whatever it is that's obviously infringing on Microsoft's IP.
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    ChiefTexas_82 , November 7, 2011 11:50 PM
    Quote:
    Microsoft brings out its patent guns when its products fail and it's cornered in the market.
    "
    As Opposed to Apple, who brings out its patent guns when they LEAD the market???
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    palladin9479 , November 7, 2011 11:59 PM
    He does have a point. You can't patent an idea only a design or technology. A "box with round corners" is an idea but described as a design in order to get a patent. Those are what Apple's been using to bludgeon every non-Apple smart phone maker with. What MS's has been doing is selling "protection" from Apple in a form of licensing agreements. Companies can "license" the MS patent for "box with round corners", and if Apple has a problem they have to battle it out with MS instead of the smaller company. The $15 USD tax seems ridiculously high but the alternative is to have Apple block your product from launch and destroy your company.

    The US really needs to pass some form of patent reform to fix these issues. Otherwise innovation will be deeply stiffed until those patents expire.
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    mman74 , November 8, 2011 12:01 AM
    Finally someone from a major company has come out and said it. And the sad part of it is that even though they recognize that, they are forced to get on the train and perpetuate it or be left financially far behind.
    A stricter patent system against a real actual physical invention is fair and just. A patent system where a major company says that I was first to unlock a phone by swiping the screen and anyone else that does the same owes me big bucks is just broken.
    Blame the game not the players.
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    SmileyTPB1 , November 8, 2011 12:13 AM
    People can complain that Google is just whining all they want. Google is right! The patent system in this country is very broken when you can patent software without even coding the software first. When Apple can patent "touch and swipe" to unlock a phone even after it is the industry standard is wrong. This country needs a major patent overhaul that clearly defines what is and isn't patentable, especially when it comes to software and electronics. What is going on in the industry right now with patents and lawsuits is completely ridiculous.
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    captaincharisma , November 8, 2011 12:22 AM
    ChiefTexas_82" As Opposed to Apple, who brings out its patent guns when they LEAD the market???


    no more like paronoid like when samsung came out with the galaxy S they knew it was better than the iphone so they are suing them into the ground
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    captaincharisma , November 8, 2011 12:25 AM
    otacon72Look at all the Android fanboys thumbing down comments....pathetic.


    you are the only one that sounds pethetic here. especially giving a crap about a thumb up/down system on some random website LOL

    FAIL
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    sykozis , November 8, 2011 12:42 AM
    otacon72Look at all the Android fanboys thumbing down comments....pathetic.

    Look at Google's lawyer not understanding patent law.

    Ideas are in fact patentable....it's called "Proof of Concept".... Google should be happy this exists as they hold numerous "proof of concept" patents..... If you can't "patent an idea"...Google just lost the majority of their IP....
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    dormantreign , November 8, 2011 1:32 AM
    he's right on the money. abolish copyrights and patients and watch us travel to mars and beyond.
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    captaincharisma , November 8, 2011 2:02 AM
    dormantreignhe's right on the money. abolish copyrights and patients and watch us travel to mars and beyond.


    but then there goes most of the capitalist society. what is the point of inventing something when everyone else can copy off you? there is no money in that.
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    randomizer , November 8, 2011 2:12 AM
    captaincharismabut then there goes most of the capitalist society. what is the point of inventing something when everyone else can copy off you? there is no money in that.

    There can be money in it, you just have to produce the best implementation of the idea. With patents you can make money off a pile of crap.
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    Anonymous , November 8, 2011 2:24 AM
    MS is a big Ass****. They don't want to stop the spread of Android, they want it to succeed so that their royalties can increase. Although Android is given away free, if some company is creating products that are infringing your patents why not sue them??? And for ppl who speak for MS, do you actually know if the patents are actually valid???
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    soky602 , November 8, 2011 2:50 AM
    "Innovation only took off when the patents expired."

    I agree!
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