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Pioneer's 400 GB Blu-Ray Disc Coming

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According to Pioneer, Blu-ray technology will be in for a huge upgrade. The firm claims that it has developed a new disc manufacturing technology that will allow up to 400 GB of data to be packed onto a single disc. Sounds too good to be true?

Here’s the real kicker: Pioneer claims that the new 400 GB Blu-ray discs will be fully compatible with existing Blu-ray readers. This means you can go out and buy a 400 GB who knows what, and pop it into your existing drive without a hitch.

The new discs are 16-layer discs, compared with today’s dual-layer discs, and utilize a smaller pitch and beam wavelength. Despite this, Pioneer still claims compatibility—although existing players and records may require firmwares to adjust the pickup.

Pioneer also claims that when these new discs start rolling out, 400 GB Blu-ray burners will accompany them as well. Just imagine what kind of things you can jam onto a disc of that capacity!

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    cah027 , December 4, 2008 5:50 PM
    Man I could finally clean up my external drive!!!! Plus Just think of putting say 90 standard def dvds on one of these!
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    mtyermom , December 4, 2008 5:52 PM
    Whatever happened to the holographic disc technology we kept hearing about?
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    cushgod , December 4, 2008 6:01 PM
    Thats AWESOME !!! WAY to go Pioneer
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    daft , December 4, 2008 6:02 PM
    well, the hvd is still being tested, as for 90 movies, thats way to small,, you could get upward to 800 if you use the h264 format.
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    hannibal , December 4, 2008 6:04 PM
    Well anything that can store whole TV-series in one disk is a good thing. I don't even know how many meters I have dvd's in my book shelf. A couple of these would take it all...

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    hannibal , December 4, 2008 6:06 PM
    mtyermomWhatever happened to the holographic disc technology we kept hearing about?


    I think that it is still coming. I am not sure how close of the upper limit of BR this is, but the holographic disc can take severals Terabytes of content, so it will offer even bigger storage. But if this really work with older BluRay eguipment it does have an advantage!
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    Hitokage , December 4, 2008 6:21 PM
    Yeah.. just wait til you accidentally scratch the disk or drop it and it shatters. 400GB goes bye bye.
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    thackstonns , December 4, 2008 6:27 PM
    HitokageYeah.. just wait til you accidentally scratch the disk or drop it and it shatters. 400GB goes bye bye.

    yeah and its still phisically spinning media so writing 400Gig will take what 2, 3 weeks. I cant wait to fire one of these up on my 1x burner.
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    Anonymous , December 4, 2008 6:35 PM
    Imagine having a write error or a burning a coaster...
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    hellscook , December 4, 2008 6:59 PM
    I hope this catches on better and costs less than simple blank dual layer DVD discs did. Those still cost an arm and a leg despite being how old?
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    tipoo , December 4, 2008 7:20 PM
    A. how much will it cost?

    B. does this matter if adoptation of Blu-Ray continues to be so miniscule?

    C. when they make 400GB blu-ray read/write disks, it will take a LONG to burn the full 400GB with current speeds. a 2x blu ray burner will write to a dual-layer disk in 90 minutes, a 1x burner would take 180. now imagine how slow writing 400GB would be, unless they develop 24x or faster blu ray burners very quickly.
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    frozenlead , December 4, 2008 7:26 PM
    I replaced all of my CD media with hard drives a long time ago. I don't think I'll drop the hard disk idea until SSDs become cheap and spacious. Never had a hard disk die on me - but I can't tell you how many times I've had to start over because of a damaged CD or DVD.
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    malveaux , December 4, 2008 7:42 PM
    Hrm,

    I don't like that optical tech is catching up to HDD tech in capacity. Seems to me that if a cheap renewable 400gig disc can be had for less than a HDD, we havea problem.

    Cheers,
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    nekatreven , December 4, 2008 7:50 PM
    I think I've got this right... From what I can find, 1x on Blu-Ray = 36Mbps

    36Mbps / 8 = 4.5MB/sec

    409,600 / 4.5 = 91022.222 seconds (repeating)

    which I believe means that at 1x this disc would take 1.05 days to write (25hrs)
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    customisbetter , December 4, 2008 8:18 PM
    Optical media is worthless nowadays. i refuse to buy a Blue ray drive. 1x? awesome...
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    eklipz330 , December 4, 2008 8:50 PM
    a ridiculous price tag is emerging in the horizon.

    $600 for a dvd anyone?
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    tipoo , December 4, 2008 9:03 PM
    eklipz330a ridiculous price tag is emerging in the horizon.$600 for a dvd anyone?


    why would this drive up DVD prices?
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    fudgeboy , December 4, 2008 10:27 PM
    somebody has to say this - dang thats a lot of porn!!
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    smalltime0 , December 4, 2008 11:31 PM
    malveauxHrm,I don't like that optical tech is catching up to HDD tech in capacity. Seems to me that if a cheap renewable 400gig disc can be had for less than a HDD, we havea problem.Cheers,

    Well thats just prototypes ATM, they will be very expensive IMHO.
    Also they still cannot compete in size (1 TB drives) access or write speeds or durability.
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    seatrotter , December 4, 2008 11:45 PM
    Nobody really remembers the flourescing-dye based optical media?

    Sure they made a blunder when they faked the demo on the showroom, but that didn't mean they lied. Now they are marketing the darn thing, only not for consumers though :( 

    Such a pity. The approach easily allowed hundreds of layers, meaning gigabytes and terabytes of data. It is also rewritable from the start, and practically scratch-proof (unless the scratch reaches and destroys the flourescing dyes).

    *sigh*
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