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Report: Russia Switching to ARM Chips for Government PCs

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Russia might be entirely ditching Intel and AMD CPUs for its government-related computers.

Reports are all over the web with the information that the Russian government will be ditching all x86-based processors which means, of course, AMD and Intel.

The report indicates that a number of Russian government-owned companies will collaborate to design a new chip, based on the ARM architecture. These chips will be known as the Baikal chips. It is expected that these will be making their way into all government computers and computers owned by government-owned firms, which in total equates to about 700,000 PCs per annum along with about 300,000 servers.

Exactly what the motives are behind this plan remains unclear, though it is suggested that it may be due to fear of security leaks, despite the report making no mention of that. What the report does clearly state is that the chips from AMD and Intel are American made, which could mean anything.

The Baikal chips, which will first come out as the Baikal M and Baikal M/S chips, will be 64-bit Cortex A-57 chips with eight cores, each clocked at 2.0 GHz. They will be fabricated using a 28 nm lithographic process.

Time will tell how much of this will happen, or whether it is even true in the first place.

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    Avus , June 23, 2014 4:40 PM
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    A solution for paranoid nations i guess!


    It is more like the American can't be trusted from their point of view and I can definitely understand them... Remember the Russian are now known a lot more about USA "dirty trick" because of Edward Snowden. I think many other countries (like China, Germany...) that capable to make their own stuff should stop using USA stuff as well.
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    rantoc , June 23, 2014 3:39 PM
    A solution for paranoid nations i guess!
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    Amdlova , June 23, 2014 4:27 PM
    it will save alot of power =)
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  • 11 Hide
    Avus , June 23, 2014 4:40 PM
    Quote:
    A solution for paranoid nations i guess!


    It is more like the American can't be trusted from their point of view and I can definitely understand them... Remember the Russian are now known a lot more about USA "dirty trick" because of Edward Snowden. I think many other countries (like China, Germany...) that capable to make their own stuff should stop using USA stuff as well.
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    rush21hit , June 23, 2014 4:54 PM
    I don't know why rantoc gets downvoted..I kinda agree with what he said. So let me just emphasize a little.

    Any economically strong nations knows that data security is the very core of global economic domination. US does this for long time, so does China albeit just recently. It shouldn't be a surprise that Russia eventually would.

    It's a necessary paranoia.

    Mother Russia protects their own, I suppose :D 
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    Avus , June 23, 2014 4:58 PM
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    I don't know why rantoc gets downvoted..I kinda agree with what he said. So let me just emphasize a little.


    So when American cried for buy USA or move back the production back to USA are called Patriot but when other countries do the same it is called paranoia??
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    sonofliberty08 , June 23, 2014 5:00 PM
    NSA leave a back door on the x86 chips, specially on the mobile x86 atom chips for smartphones, they r badly coded, the smartphones will not turn off even u press the shutdown button, it will keep mining for data and drain the battery quickly.
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    Onus , June 23, 2014 5:28 PM
    Russia and China are moving away from the US Dollar, using their own currencies for trade. This is another step in the process of knocking the dollar off its now-undeserved perch as the world's reserve currency. When that happens, the US economy will implode; think Wiemar Germany. It makes sense to not be dependent on American businesses for vital equipment and supplies.
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    jasonelmore , June 23, 2014 6:45 PM
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    it will save alot of power =)


    Not really. just because it's a ARM CPU doesnt mean it defies the laws of physics. These 64bit chips are big chips, sometimes 8 way out of order CPU's. When the CPU is that wide, it will consume just as much as a Intel CPU.

    Also, Intel's CPU's are on 14nm lithography and are being mass produced today, so their transistors are twice as small as 28nm chips. Plus they are orders of magnitude faster.

    intel's fab's will always be 2 years ahead of everyone else's. unless they have a major catastrophic failure. They will always win in performance per watt.
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    chicofehr , June 23, 2014 8:57 PM
    I wonder what OS they will use. I'm guessing Linux. Switching to a totally different OS is a big thing so I can't imagine it going very smoothly but with time it could work.
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    jimmysmitty , June 23, 2014 9:48 PM
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    Quote:
    A solution for paranoid nations i guess!


    It is more like the American can't be trusted from their point of view and I can definitely understand them... Remember the Russian are now known a lot more about USA "dirty trick" because of Edward Snowden. I think many other countries (like China, Germany...) that capable to make their own stuff should stop using USA stuff as well.


    Yea because Russia, China and the rest of the world are clean angels who never do anything tricky or back handed.

    The sad truth is that every country is the same and they all do things to protect their own interests. If you think any country is a saint and would never do anything like that, you might want to think again.

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    Russia and China are moving away from the US Dollar, using their own currencies for trade. This is another step in the process of knocking the dollar off its now-undeserved perch as the world's reserve currency. When that happens, the US economy will implode; think Wiemar Germany. It makes sense to not be dependent on American businesses for vital equipment and supplies.


    Actually I think the economic boom and massive spending pushed the US dollars value way up and that is why it became the currency of the world reserve. That and the fact that we spend more than the majority of countries combined and have a much higher GDP than any other.

    I don't think any country should be dependent on US technology but then again ARM is UK based so they are not making their own CPU per say.

    Still whatever they want to do. Putin has some weird ideas on how to run a country. Then again the US has been having some strange ideas too.
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    bluewr , June 23, 2014 10:13 PM
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    A solution for paranoid nations i guess!


    It is more like the American can't be trusted from their point of view and I can definitely understand them... Remember the Russian are now known a lot more about USA "dirty trick" because of Edward Snowden. I think many other countries (like China, Germany...) that capable to make their own stuff should stop using USA stuff as well.


    Yea because Russia, China and the rest of the world are clean angels who never do anything tricky or back handed.

    The sad truth is that every country is the same and they all do things to protect their own interests. If you think any country is a saint and would never do anything like that, you might want to think again.

    Quote:
    Russia and China are moving away from the US Dollar, using their own currencies for trade. This is another step in the process of knocking the dollar off its now-undeserved perch as the world's reserve currency. When that happens, the US economy will implode; think Wiemar Germany. It makes sense to not be dependent on American businesses for vital equipment and supplies.


    Actually I think the economic boom and massive spending pushed the US dollars value way up and that is why it became the currency of the world reserve. That and the fact that we spend more than the majority of countries combined and have a much higher GDP than any other.

    I don't think any country should be dependent on US technology but then again ARM is UK based so they are not making their own CPU per say.

    Still whatever they want to do. Putin has some weird ideas on how to run a country. Then again the US has been having some strange ideas too.


    So, because other nations do it, it's ok for us to do it?
    Two wrong doesn't make a right.
    And unlike the US, China at least doesn't hide that they spy on it's own citizen, and use their own great firewall of China.

    And most recently released the secret Patent that Microsoft is using to force licensing from Android phone maker.
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    jeffredo , June 23, 2014 11:00 PM
    Kneejerk reaction from them invading the Crimea and getting hit with sanctions by the world community. Similar to trying to bar the US from getting to the International Space Station via their rockets. Just more of Putin waving his little willy around.
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    Darkk , June 23, 2014 11:22 PM
    Snowden ruffled quite a few feathers along the way which created alot of mis-trust with the US government. There no telling if or any possibility of a backdoor to any American made products to be used abroad. Then again, what's to say China isn't doing the same thing with their products to be sold over at USA?

    ARM is very much open standard so I don't blame the Russians for taking this a bit seriously about their national security of their computers within their government. I have nothing but love for the Russians and at the same time I don't blame them for taking this step to protect their interests.

    I just wish we didn't live in a friggin paranoid world we all be happy by now.
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    AlanKhoa , June 23, 2014 11:26 PM
    I would leave politics out of this website.
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    memadmax , June 24, 2014 1:21 AM
    This isn't new.
    They have built their own processors before.
    Some were good, some were bad.
    The chinese government has been building it's own processors for quite some time now.
    I wish them luck in their endeavor, you never know, maybe a competitor to intel/amd might come out of this and competition is good.
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    rokit , June 24, 2014 2:55 AM
    Nothing new here to see. Russians were already doing this stuff. Ofcourse their work is useless to anything other than specialized things like rockets. But Intel is not used there anyway.
    So they want to replace the workers PCs. In secret agencies they could block any signal that could control things from some hole inside CPU unless they're stupid not do so. In other government buildings like schools who gives a damn about data there in the first place? Besides most of the PCs there are ancient and noone buys new hardware there, same goes for everything with the very rare exceptions.
    They still didn't move away from Windows(even though they were moving to them numerous times, for success you need to do it only once), so what does that tell you? Russians like to talk big but thats all. If they trully wanted to get rid off any external tech they should design their own architecture and manufacture it on their own land.
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    So, because other nations do it, it's ok for us to do it?
    Two wrong doesn't make a right.
    And unlike the US, China at least doesn't hide that they spy on it's own citizen, and use their own great firewall of China.

    Your logic is strange. Everyone knows that Russia and USA can easily spy for anyone in their country and control internet. Just because they deny/don't talk about it in public somehow makes them worse than someone who admitted they do?
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    cemerian , June 24, 2014 3:59 AM
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    Russia and China are moving away from the US Dollar, using their own currencies for trade. This is another step in the process of knocking the dollar off its now-undeserved perch as the world's reserve currency. When that happens, the US economy will implode; think Wiemar Germany. It makes sense to not be dependent on American businesses for vital equipment and supplies.
    what many dont know is that right before us invaded Iraq the government was about to make a move away from usd and to euro for its oil businesses, which if would have happened would have ruin US economy back then, but its not far now...
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    mamasan2000 , June 24, 2014 8:22 AM
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    Quote:
    Russia and China are moving away from the US Dollar, using their own currencies for trade. This is another step in the process of knocking the dollar off its now-undeserved perch as the world's reserve currency. When that happens, the US economy will implode; think Wiemar Germany. It makes sense to not be dependent on American businesses for vital equipment and supplies.
    what many dont know is that right before us invaded Iraq the government was about to make a move away from usd and to euro for its oil businesses, which if would have happened would have ruin US economy back then, but its not far now...


    Same with Quaddafi. Only it would have been a gold standard.
    http://www.thenewamerican.com/economy/markets/item/4630-gadhafis-gold-money-plan-would-have-devastated-dollar
    I can understand why. The US dollar is pretty much toilet paper. US can print how ever much they want of it. Trading toilet paper for oil etc, who wouldn't do that?
    The dollar is backed by nothing. All the gold is gone since the 1970s.
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    bluewr , June 24, 2014 8:37 AM
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    Snowden ruffled quite a few feathers along the way which created alot of mis-trust with the US government. There no telling if or any possibility of a backdoor to any American made products to be used abroad. Then again, what's to say China isn't doing the same thing with their products to be sold over at USA?

    ARM is very much open standard so I don't blame the Russians for taking this a bit seriously about their national security of their computers within their government. I have nothing but love for the Russians and at the same time I don't blame them for taking this step to protect their interests.

    I just wish we didn't live in a friggin paranoid world we all be happy by now.


    Because so far, there has been no actual evidence of China putting in backdoor into their product, even after various tech firm, and ABC agency taking it apart.
    And then convince ally to use US made product like Cisco that the US put in their own back door that was recently revealed?
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    mrmotion , June 24, 2014 9:13 AM
    I love how may currency speculators, foreign relation people, and economists we have here on the forum. Thanks for all your totally fact based knowledge.

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