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TSMC Says 40nm Issues are Resolved

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Bring on the production lines for more GPUs!

Have you noticed any improvement in supplies of the ATI Radeon 5800-series of video cards? That's likely due to the increasing yield of 40nm production at fabrication house Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company (TSMC).

Mark Liu, Senior VP of Operations at TSMC, said that the chamber matching problems that had impacted yield rates for the company's 40nm node have been resolved, according to Digitimes.

Now TSMC's yield for 40nm product is at the same level as its 65nm product, signaling clear skies. This should be positive news for Nvidia, as its Fermi product is expected to utilize the 40nm process.

Read more about Fermi in our architecture preview.

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    scook9 , January 20, 2010 8:04 PM
    screw fermi, this is good news for all the people who were going to have to pay the jacked up prices for ATI 5000 cards
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    strikker1 , January 20, 2010 10:01 PM
    I find it very odd that TSMC finally resolves the issues (after almost a year) with 40nm production at the EXACT time Nvidia is ready to start production of its new chip. Sounds like Nvidia got a few tips from Intel on how to deal with the competition.
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    scook9 , January 20, 2010 8:04 PM
    screw fermi, this is good news for all the people who were going to have to pay the jacked up prices for ATI 5000 cards
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    WheelsOfConfusion , January 20, 2010 8:15 PM
    So prices for 40nm ATI parts should drop? If the 4770 actually came down to $99, would it still be a good deal?
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    buckinbottoms , January 20, 2010 8:23 PM
    let the 5890's flow!
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    brett1042002 , January 20, 2010 8:25 PM
    +1 5890 please
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    NapoleonDK , January 20, 2010 8:36 PM
    I was a lucky adopter of the HD4770 for $98.99 back in the day. Too bad it was so quickly beaten in the price/perf when the price shot up. It's still a great card IMO, obvious lack of DX11 technologies aside.

    What are TSMC's yields right now anyway? 65nm has been around for quite a while now, shouldn't they have it up past 80% or so? Does that mean 40nm is SERIOUSLY 80%?!?! That would be awesome, 5870 here I come!
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    dragonsqrrl , January 20, 2010 8:40 PM
    hopefully with this the availability of the 5970 will ramp up and the cost can begin to come down, still having trouble finding them in stock. for the most part I'm seeing prices between $650 - $700 for stock cards, when they're available.
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    eklipz330 , January 20, 2010 8:52 PM
    yess i knew it!! te hd 5850's are all hovering around $300, we'll be back at MSRP at no time!!!
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    FoShizzleDizzle , January 20, 2010 9:06 PM
    It will help Fermi, but not really because this also helps the production and price of Cypress. Even more so the latter because of the smaller die. If you know anything about basic statistics you would understand that their significantly larger die size will result in much lower yield than Cypress for the obvious reason of fewer per wafer, and the not as obvious reason which is a higher failure rate as you increase the size.

    It is going to be pretty unaffordable to say the least, and on top of that be a power hog. If it performs anything less than 50% better than Cypress, it is a failure in my book and many others.
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    scooterlibby , January 20, 2010 9:44 PM
    All of you celebrating lack of Fermi realize the above MSRP prices of the 5xxx series is largely a combination of two things:

    1. The supply issues from TSCMC
    2. The lack of competition from Nvidia (i.e. the delay of Fermi)

    If you think we're going to get miraculous price drops because problem 1 has cleared up, you are mistaken. Lack of competition is still driving the high prices. That's why even the MSRP of the 5xxx is a bit high.

    I like both companies, but especially when they are competing and driving down prices. Remember how great the price wars were with the last gen? You can't get that without both Fermi and 5xxx series duking it out at the same time.

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    scooterlibby , January 20, 2010 9:45 PM
    my apologies for writing TSCMC instead of TSMC
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    strikker1 , January 20, 2010 10:01 PM
    I find it very odd that TSMC finally resolves the issues (after almost a year) with 40nm production at the EXACT time Nvidia is ready to start production of its new chip. Sounds like Nvidia got a few tips from Intel on how to deal with the competition.
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    FoShizzleDizzle , January 20, 2010 11:29 PM
    +1 scooterlibby

    The prices of the 5000 cards will drop as they start to re-saturate the market (and are currently doing so in fact), but don't expect MSRP prices or lower until there is actual competition from the green team. For the sake of competition, let's just hope Nvidia can actually have something that can be scale to compete well at the lower price points. Only time will tell.

    Strikker1- the timing of the manufacturing problems is worth raising an eyebrow over at the very least. But TSMC's production affects all parties who rely on it, not just AMD. It'd be like Nvidia stabbing themselves in the foot in an effort to stab AMD in a slightly more important limb. It probably wouldn't be worth it for them to play dirty in the short run, and especially not worth the risk involved in the long run. Nvidia would know better I would hope, if they saw what AMD just did recently to Intel.
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    goodguy713 , January 20, 2010 11:33 PM



    this is related to the yield information in this article its fairly new 01/12/10 so .. basically its placing yields at 60 % for the 40nm processes
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    goodguy713 , January 20, 2010 11:36 PM
    goodguy713this is related to the yield information in this article its fairly new 01/12/10 so .. basically its placing yields at 60 % for the 40nm processes


    http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/other/display/20100112235614_Yields_for_40nm_Still_Below_70_Rumours.html
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    megamanx00 , January 21, 2010 12:19 AM
    Better yields, bigger supply, lower prices to move that supply and make AMD/ATI more money. Of course, AMD is only going to lower prices so that supply matches demand, and without competition from nVidia they will have good demand for some time. I look forward to seeing some shorter 5850s hopefully :D . The 5830 will be out soon so I'm also interested to see how that one does
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    victomofreality , January 21, 2010 1:52 AM
    I'm seriously begining to think by the time Nvidia is going to miss this generation even with the chips being more plentiful... either that or they have one hell of a surprise to pull on the market and surprisingly few leaks.
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    KC8DKT , January 21, 2010 3:30 AM
    strikker1I find it very odd that TSMC finally resolves the issues (after almost a year) with 40nm production at the EXACT time Nvidia is ready to start production of its new chip. Sounds like Nvidia got a few tips from Intel on how to deal with the competition.


    ROFLMAO, I was thinking the same thing when I seen this...
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    snurp85 , January 21, 2010 12:02 PM
    Hopefully this will result in the price of the 5800 series to drop back down to initial MSRP.

    $240 for a 5850 would definitely turn some heads. :) 
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    HavoCnMe , January 21, 2010 1:15 PM
    Can't wait to see what this 40nm process is all about. I want to see Fermi in action, at the same time I can't wait to see core and temp specs.
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    gwolfman , January 21, 2010 2:54 PM
    I wonder if nVidia had anything to do with TSMC's yield issues when ATi would have been the only person with DX11 GPUs out. Now that nVidia is about to release their GF100, it's magically fixed. How convenient!
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