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More Performance, Additional Tweaking

Making Lemonade: Overclocking Your Locked AMD Processor

Additional Tweaking

With the Phenom II X3 710 humming along at a respectable 3,744 MHz, it was time to turn our efforts to squeezing even more performance out of this system.

We started by overclocking the northbridge, which increases memory controller performance and L3 cache speed. Setting the CPU-NB Voltage to 1.3V and the NB Voltage to 1.25V allowed us to increase the northbridge multiplier from 7x to 9x, resulting in a northbridge speed of 2,592 MHz.

Increasing voltages a little more still didn’t allow the system to boot into Windows at a 10x NB multiplier. Keep in mind, though, that at a 288 MHz reference clock, each step up in NB multiplier increases the northbridge speed by 288 MHz. The chipset heatsink was still fairly cool to the touch, but reaching a 2,880 MHz northbridge speed would require more CPU-NB voltage than we were willing to feed. This is another area where a Black Edition processor is more flexible. Using a combination of multiplier and reference clock overclocking could allow us to dial in a higher northbridge speed and very similar core speed. For instance, at a 270 MHz reference clock, the system was fully stable running the northbridge at 2,700 MHz, but without being able to increase the CPU multiplier, the CPU would only run a pinch over 3,500 MHz.

While it’s possible to see a small increase in performance by increasing the HT Link speed, 2.0 GHz generally provides plenty of bandwidth for a system like this. Here again, increasing the HT multiplier to 8x would add 288 MHz to the HT Link speed, resulting in 2,304 MHz, which is higher than we would normally attempt to utilize and would likely result in a loss of stability.

Instead of putting time into increasing the HT Link, we turned to overclocking the RAM. In this case, increasing the memory ratio to 1:3.33 would result in our Corsair DDR3 running at an unhealthy 1,920 MHz, so we instead focused on tightening memory timings. We found 7-7-7-20 to be fully stable in Memtest 86+, Prime95, and 3DMark Vantage testing. Unfortunately, while a 1T command rate passed four loops of Memtest 86+ without any errors, it resulted in a loss of stability in 3D testing. Details for the final “Tweaked OC” can be seen it the following CPU-Z screenshot.

Although we manually set memory timings for today’s overclocking, we found through additional testing that the Auto settings did not impact the overclocking efforts in any way. At a 1:2.66 memory ratio, setting the DRAM Timing mode in the BIOS to Auto resulted in 9-9-9-24 timings. Interestingly, we found that Auto timings with a 1:2 memory ratio resulted in 6-6-6-15 timings that proved stable with a 1T Command rate at this frequency.

For performance testing, we’ll separate these tweaking efforts, first seeing what performance is gained by increasing the northbridge speed alone and then taking a look at whether memory speed and timings have any additional impact on performance.

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    sohei , August 27, 2009 8:56 AM
    it's about how to squeeze all performance from an locked cpu .
    this is a pro' article (head shot)
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    sohei , August 27, 2009 8:56 AM
    it's about how to squeeze all performance from an locked cpu .
    this is a pro' article (head shot)
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    nzprogamer , August 27, 2009 9:52 AM
    im a big amd fans, good stuff here, look forward to go back to amd
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    amdfangirl , August 27, 2009 10:50 AM
    Good article! Too bad I killed my AMD CPU :p 
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    brisingamen , August 27, 2009 12:48 PM
    great article, should be more like it,
    and a few more gaming benches wouldnt hurt either guys!
    speaking of headshots yes unreal tournament is probably the most important game to exemplify the value of overclocking and added framerates due to "headshots" and shtuff.

    keep up the good work!
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    Onus , August 27, 2009 12:50 PM
    stray_gatorWhat's the point of using a high-end mobo to overclock a mainstream/value cpu?

    Fair question; no one would likely do this IRL, but I think the point here was to see how high the locked CPU could go, so they used a premium mobo.
    Paul, now that we know what this specific CPU can do, would it be useful to now put it on a more typical mainstream mobo and see what one might get from the same chip under more typical conditions?
    The point would be to answer the following: if my budget just grew by $25, does it make more sense to buy a BE CPU or to get a more premium mobo?
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    haplo602 , August 27, 2009 1:37 PM
    stray_gatorWhat's the point of using a high-end mobo to overclock a mainstream/value cpu?

    because value mobos vary in stability much more than premium mobos. this article was just about the CPU limit, not the mobo limit.
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    Anonymous , August 27, 2009 1:43 PM
    Tom's should do a shoot-out between an i7 920 and a 965BE that's had the multiplier taken down to 13x(2.6ghz), then both OCed to the max on the northbridge alone. I'm sure that would close the gap atleast somewhat, but I'm interested to see exactly how much. Maybe they could screw around with the HyperTransport multiplier as well, it might turn out that AMD has been shooting itself in the foot with the unlocked multiplier, when more performance would be had if they were forcing people to use the northbridge.
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    Shadow703793 , August 27, 2009 2:38 PM
    Good write up; but PLEASE do NOT recommend OCing via Windows. Most pro's here will tell you that same thing. BIOS > Windows for OCing.
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    Shadow703793 , August 27, 2009 2:39 PM
    Also how about putting this under WCing or DIce/LN2? :D 
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    Ryun , August 27, 2009 2:49 PM
    In the performance gains and the cpu tweaking page the graphs for world in conflict are switched.
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    dirtmountain , August 27, 2009 3:28 PM
    Excellent article! Thank you for the work.
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    DarkMantle , August 27, 2009 3:45 PM
    Very good article!. Ryun is right, those 2 graphs for World in Conflict are switched.
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    Upendra09 , August 27, 2009 4:06 PM
    I was planning on OCing but this article has made me afraid to OC, it seems there are a lot more factors involved in this than i thought.
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    saint19 , August 27, 2009 4:43 PM
    Really good article, in the pass I has a X2 6400+, and only can overclok with the 955 I have 600MHz more that the stock frecuency....
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    cybot_x1024 , August 27, 2009 5:40 PM
    nice article.
    Amd has really improved overclockability with the dragons.
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    bustapr , August 27, 2009 6:36 PM
    wow great increases fom a triple core. 2.6 to 3.7 is great!
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    Anonymous , August 27, 2009 6:39 PM
    Shreder: You are a perfect example of a brainwashed sheep. Core i7 has been shown to have a definite advantage in:

    Video Rendering(I don't care, maybe you do)
    Synthetic Benchmarks(yawn)
    Specific games that have been "optimized"(rigged) to perform better on an i7

    Other than that, the advantage ranges from neglible to non-existant. Unfortunately, there are people like you who swallow every bit of the fanboy articles with cherry-picked benchmarks...
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    Boxa786 , August 27, 2009 7:29 PM
    Like Shadow said, its obviously a really good cpu, for overcloking from amd,

    lets see how high it can go ;D
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