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PNY, Super Talent, And Wintec

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3:20 AM - 12/01/2008 by Thomas Soderstrom

PNY XLR8 MD4096KD2-800-X4

Dressed in basic black heat spreaders, PNY XLR8 MD4095KD2-800-X4 is the third dual-channel kit in today’s comparison to offer relatively-tight CAS 4 timings at DDR2-800 (PC2-6400) speeds.

PNY requires 2.0 V to assure stability at DDR2-800 rated timings of 4-4-4-12, and all users will be required to set every value manually to reach this rating. Most systems will boot with the modules set to DDR2-800 CAS 5.

Unlike other CAS 4 kits, PNY’s parts don’t offer the quick-configuration advantage of EPP. PNY’s lifetime warranty also has an additional limitation, as PNY defines “lifetime” as the time the product exists on the market. Competing warranties typically mention replacement with “comparable products” whenever exact replacements are no longer available.

Super Talent T800UX4GC5

Super Talent gets much press attention for the early release of high-speed modules, often owning the market for several weeks while competitors play catch-up. However, that’s not going to happen in the budget market, as its part number T800UX4GC5 DDR2-800 (PC2-6400) dual-channel kit is rated at lazy CAS 5 timings.

The blue-painted aluminum sinks could fool someone into thinking these were performance parts if not for the obvious label, but Super Talent helps its buyers put on a show by placing the labels on opposite sides per module. It’s easy to face the labels towards each other when installing the RAM, leaving the logo facing “outward” on both modules.

Super Talent rates its T800UX4GC5 memory kit at 5-5-5-15 latencies and 2.10 V, but SPD values point to these settings being bootable at 1.80 V. Unlike other brand ratings, it appears that Super Talent is listing the voltage limit, rather than the required voltage for stability.

With no guaranteed-stable overclock setting, T800UX4GC5 modules need no EPP values. Basic SPD settings are adequate to get the memory to its rated performance level.

Super Talent provides a limited lifetime warranty on all DRAM products.

Wintec AMPX 3AXT6400C5-4096K

High-value brand Wintec sent a DDR2-800 (PC2-6400) kit from its AMPX performance line, but black heat spreaders and a capacity of 4 GB are all that distinguishes its 3AXT6400C5-4096K dual-channel kit from the brand’s less-elaborate AMPO products.

Rated at DDR2-800 timings of CAS 5-5-5-15, these AMPX modules boot with a slower tRAS of 18 cycles using SPD values. Wintec requires a manual voltage increase to 1.90 V in order to assure stable operation at 15 cycles tRAS.

Because performance for these modules is being defined as capacity rather than speed, Wintec apparently saw no need to provide added features such as EPP to make the tRAS change from 18 cycles to 15 cycles easier.

Wintec provides a lifetime warranty for the original purchaser of its DRAM products.

Talkback
randomizer 12/01/2008 10:26 AM
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Good to see G.Skill finally decided to send some samples.

JonnyDough 12/01/2008 11:04 AM
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You can increase how much ram is used for prefetch in XP as well, so that hardly says that Vista is faster than XP once you use more RAM. I for one have skipped the Vista era and am happily awaiting Windows 7. I guess I prefer to keep my $100 in my wallet for awhile instead of giving it to M$ investors.

V3NOM 12/01/2008 11:08 AM
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i rofl'd that my cheap Team Elite owned all of them except the ballistix...

JonnyDough 12/01/2008 11:08 AM
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Stop using rebates as qualifiers. I was taught in consumer math that if you purchase something with the cost of a rebate figured in, you had better be prepared to pay full price. I think a lot of us here IGNORE rebate pricing, and won't even support it by buying rebated items. Rebates are CRAP, no consumer likes them. They aren't a "discount" they are a marketing ploy to rip people off.

raider37 12/01/2008 11:09 AM
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I'm pretty darn happy with my 4GB of XMS2 DDR2-800 RAM from Corsair, all my components are overclocked and work extremely well, plus here in Pakistan only 2 memory companies are widely available (Kingston and corsair) and we all know kingston is overpriced and their modules do not perform as well as Corsairs.

johnbilicki 12/01/2008 11:39 AM
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Crashman 12/01/2008 12:22 PM
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johnbilicki :
As a regular I feel insulted that my fellow readers and I are expected to except an introduction suggesting that we are mindless consumers no different than the people who trampled and killed a worker at Walmart this past Friday.



That sounds like the voice of experience...you were at that Wal Mart? Because it appears that everyone else automatically knew that the introduction was meant to cover the widest range of potential buyers, and not each one of them specifically. Yet you mindlessly trampled into that rant?

johnbilicki 12/01/2008 12:31 PM
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Crashman 12/01/2008 12:50 PM
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johnbilicki :
The introduction slaps everyone in the face by suggesting money is the only solution. Even less experienced people know how to do a Google query."The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who haven't got it." - George Bernard Shaw



It suggests that very little money can be a very easy solution to multiple performance issues.

And you're using a quote to emphasise your cynicism concerning my observation? Thanks!

johnbilicki 12/01/2008 1:19 PM
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Tjik 12/01/2008 2:27 PM
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OK, so this is one of those articles that has no value at all outside of the US. In my view it's kind of pointless to make such a twisted calculation that puts everything upside down, with conclusions that might be worth zero tomorrow. If it's true that G.Skill hasn'tbeen very keen on sending some RAM for testing I think this article won't make them more willing to.

Offer easy to understand figures and don't promote any rebate schemes. A consumer isn't more stupid than that he's able to figure out that it might be a good idea to check what special offers are available at the day of the buy. Or is this article to be updated on a regular basis until the next big round-up? Rebates aren't some kind of fixed market value.

Rick_Criswell 12/01/2008 2:40 PM
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Who pissed in your cereal this morning????
This article is for the masses. The same ones who trampled the walmart employee.The same ones who have no idea what mscon*** or services.*** are.That is aproximately 99% of the readers of this site.

zodiacfml 12/01/2008 2:47 PM
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i think the article and crashman still has a point, though not for us enthusiast who knows a lot of how things work in a pc,device, or machine.
there are a lot of solutions improving performance but for some people it will be easier for them to spend than spend time learn anything. not really a good attitude but that is just a lot of people do today, probably the reason why super expensive gaming systems and products exist. ignorance is bliss.

Pei-chen 12/01/2008 2:59 PM
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As a mindless drone, I prefer the “throw more resources at it” approach. The 8GB OCZ PC2-6400 RAM in my Vista x64 computer only cost $50 and I never need to buy more RAM as long as keep this PC (next rebuild Q1 2011)

I am surprised OCZ didn’t send anything for review; they usually have the cheapest kits.

BTW johnbilicki, what would happen to your setup if windows tries to run a program that requires more than 2GB of physical RAM?

malveaux 12/01/2008 3:33 PM
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I have 8gigs of the XMS2 Corsair in my Vista64 machine. I can't feel any difference from 2gigs that I had. But after turning off the page file. I hear my disc less often. Woo....

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98silvz71 12/01/2008 4:00 PM
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My 4 GB Kingston HyperX DDR2-800 Ram runs at 5-5-5-15 at 1000Mhz with 2.2v. I only payed around 70 dollars for all 4GB. Something is not right with the results that you got for your sets.

Anonymous 12/01/2008 4:42 PM
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The point of this article was to help outline price changes in the DDR2 market, and how a relatively small amount of cash might help the majority of users (How many people who repair friends' computers see all that crap they have on their machine. Sure you can fix it, but they're just going to accumulate more crap. You can't fix it forever). I remember when I made a build for my family a few years ago. A pair of 1GB Dual channel OCZ 667 was the most expensive part in the build... a number of months after I bought it, I was surprised at how cheap it was. It is seriously 90% cheaper than what I bought then, and higher performance also. 90% off is a huge deal.

Huttfuzz 12/01/2008 5:19 PM
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Love the article. Thanks Crashman.

ooo 12/01/2008 5:40 PM
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Great article man thks for the information ¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡

Slomo4shO 12/01/2008 6:12 PM
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Thanks for the write up. The Corsair XMS2 went on sale for as low as $15 after a $35 MIR on Black Friday.

What was the best speeds you were able to obtain on the XMS2 at the rated 1.9v? I have a pair of sticks in the mail and look forward to fine tuning these :)


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