Graphics Card: PowerColor TurboDuo Radeon R9 290
Right now, the Radeon R9 290 is my favorite high-end graphics card at its price point. But that didn't protect me from the price changes that happened between when board was purchased and now. While PowerColor's TurboDuo sold for $380 back in May, it jumped up to $480 and now sells for $430 on Newegg. That's a temporary price, which includes a 250 GB Samsung 840 EVO. And this System Builder Marathon machine is sorely missing an SSD. But when the sale is overs, we're told this card will fall back to $400.
There are lower-priced Radeon R9 290s, of course. Even equipped with aftermarket cooling, you don't need to spend more than $410 for a good specimen.

Read Customer Reviews of PowerColor's TurboDuo Radeon R9 290
We hope PowerColor's card can compete with the previous build's GeForce GTX 780 Ti. The GeForce comes equipped with a fully-enabled GK110 processor, making it one of the fastest single-GPU boards you can buy for gaming. But it also costs a lot more. PowerColor should take the crown for value.
Power Supply: Corsair CX750 750 W PSU

Read Customer Reviews of Corsair's CX750
While a strong 650 W power supply would have been fine, Corsair's CX750 was on sale for $80 back in May, and I couldn't pass it up. The CX750 is now up in the $100 range, so if I had to pick again, I'd probably go for the company's CX600 to save some dough.
Case: Apevia X-Hermes

Read Customer Reviews of Apevia's X-Hermes
For $60, it's hard to find a PC enclosure that offers more than Apevia's X-Hermes. The enclosure comes with four 120 mm fans installed, in addition to a mammoth 200 mm cooler on the side window. Progressive styling and red LED accents don't hurt either, though more conservative enthusiasts may prefer something on the conservative side instead.
- Let's Get That Enthusiast PC Price Down A Notch
- CPU, Motherboard, And Cooler
- Video Card, Power Supply, And Case
- Memory, Hard Drives, And Optical Storage
- Building And Overclocking Our Mainstream Enthusiast System
- How We Tested Our Mainstream Enthusiast System
- Results: Synthetics
- Results: Media Transcoding
- Results: Rendering And Productivity
- Results: Adobe Creative Suite
- Results: Compression Tools
- Results: Battlefield 4 And Arma 3
- Results: Grid 2 And Far Cry 3
- Power And Temperature
- A Core i5-4670K And Radeon R9 290 Offer Big Value
How is this the best suggested build for the money if you're only locking it to one retailer? That's...kinda silly
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/FRyNgs
[Answer by Cleeve:]
"Terrible" = same CPU, cooler, graphics card, and equal benchmark performance?
The case we chose really doesn't matter, as the first page of article points out. Case/optical drive is completely subjective. That's exactly why we've separated the performance parts price from case/optical/OS.
By the way, are you just assuming Apevia its bad because you prefer other well-known brands? It did a fantastic job for the purposes of this article, so other than brand, what's your issue with it? Is brand the same problem you have with the 290? Because it's cooler is quite good.
Speaking of coolers, the Hyper 212 EVO is virtually the 212 plus with a different fan. Is this really the huge difference you're implying it is?
You're also specing it out two months after we did, with lower prices. An SSD would have been great, but two months ago when we ordered there was no room in the budget, and we weren't willing to sacrifice the 290.
Bottom line, you're being a little sensationalist about picking nits.
The ssd gives you an easily felt sensation of speed every time you boot. Just got an ssd myself like 2 months ago. Any other go-fast parts come secondary. Ditch the Z97 and the ODD and you could squeeze in a SSD.
How is this the best suggested build for the money if you're only locking it to one retailer? That's...kinda silly
How is this the best suggested build for the money if you're only locking it to one retailer? That's...kinda silly
No one will ever question your parts selection ever again!! Maybe add a side note on price page that all parts are from/ must be bought on Newegg.
All newegg, still cheaper with better components:
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/pj7bCJ
What's the next rule, no rebates?
All newegg, still cheaper with better components:
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/pj7bCJ
What's the next rule, no rebates?
No mail-in rebates because they usually disappear before we can publish and, because when you have $100 you can't buy a $149 part that has a $50 MIR
Instant rebates and sales are fine because when the discount on one part disappears, the discount on another part appears.
BTW, I like the look of your case. I never understood what the deal was with don and ugly cases, but he's Canadian so I know better than to ask.
Instant rebates and sales are fine because when the discount on one part disappears, the discount on another part appears.
Even with that in mind, my second build without rebates totals 1178. Changing the motherboard to a z87 Extreme3 (because z97 isn't a benefit if you're not going for haswell refresh or an ssd) and it's 3 bucks more than the build listed.
The chipset isn't my concern to be honest. It's the idea that it's a sub par 290, no SSD, and a weaker cooler than you could fit into that budget.
UK anyway, namely pricing for equivalents boards seems to be slightly
lower. Recently, before the Z97 launch, I was looking into options for a
combined HTPC/mini-gaming build; the ASUS board I found (forget the
model offhand) was about 130 UKP. The 'replacement' Z97 equivalent
(Z97I-Plus) is about 15 cheaper. A small saving one might say, but
often these amounts are cited as being critical in these SBMs.
Ian.
You need to read the article. This current build Q2 2014 cost $986/$1166 whereas the Q1 2014 one had a higher budget of $1450/$1713. This new build is $460 less.
You need to read the article. This current build Q2 2014 cost $986/$1166 whereas the Q1 2014 one had a higher budget of $1450/$1713. This new build is $460 less.
Wow, I'm surprised I missed that. Thanks !
The entry level machine is never worth the money due to lack of future proofing, and the high-end system is past the point of reason, which I personally wouldn't waste money on even if I had an extra couple thousand laying around.
My critiques :
* Running memory at 1333 is an obvious bottleneck, even if it's small, it's measurable enough to be significant. I can't understand what you stand to prove by bottlenecking the system with the RAM. It's well understood that 1600 mhz DDR3 is the "entry" level for i5 systems.
* The change in dollar value was unwarranted haha. This is just my one opinion, but an extra 200-500$ goes a long way at this sector, because the 1200$ price point allows more into the GPU/CPU which makes a huge performance bump.
I'm just trying to give my constructive criticism because it's an exciting article to read and see what selection of core components for the 1200-1500 range can win out. This article you shaved 500$ off the build and the article suffers as a result because it has no chance to compete with last quarter's build, and thereby defeats the purpose of the article (I speak for myself).
I'm just trying to give my constructive criticism because it's an exciting article to read and see what selection of core components for the 1200-1500 range can win out. This article you shaved 500$ off the build and the article suffers as a result because it has no chance to compete with last quarter's build, and thereby defeats the purpose of the article (I speak for myself).
No one will argue against a 1500 dollar machine will perform better than a 1000 dollar machine and the budgets for these builds was getting pretty crazy.
For example, an SSD is really just a luxury item that doesn't actually change the performance of applications or games all that much once they are loaded, so it's probably one of the bests value items to cut out if you are on a budget and want the best performance per dollar. It's also one of the best things to spend extra money on to make your machine feel snappy because things start when you click on them.
For the last round the mid range PC came in at $1459, but it was a 4770k and a 780ti. That's pretty much the top stuff you can possibly buy at the time without getting in to specialized situations. How is that in any way challenging to design a mid range system... or in fact, how is it even a mid range system?
But...
Apevia is on my personal "Do Not Buy" list. What was your impression of the material quality on this one? To me it looked garish; that side panel has "cheesy" all over it. The one Apevia case I bought years ago was a great design (fit/finish was good too), but the material quality and QC on it were so bad I ended up tossing it into the grabbage after a couple months of fighting with a front panel grounding issue. While not as bad as the Chokemax case you tried a year or so ago, this is the second time you've gone with a cheap case, and I understand the ire it has provoked.
The specific models have varied over the months and years, but I have never been unable to find a 120mm tower cooler offering similar performance to the Hyper212 EVO that was not notably cheaper (e.g. $8-$15); I might lose 1C on cooling, but gain a notch up somewhere else that will make a bigger difference. I'm not saying it is a bad cooler (I accept that it is not), but I don't know why so many people parrot a model that is such a bang/buck Loser.
Even un-stressed, IMHO the Corsair "CX" with its inferior Samxon capacitors is not a valid choice for an enthusiast build.
I hope this lays to rest the idea that an "enthusiast" build can skip the SSD.
I like the pricing calculation changes, and the lowered budgets. Insofar as it affects cooling though, I think it would be good to include the case in the "Performance Parts" category, and count it against the "Performance" budget.
*smashes head against desk* Hit wrong button; this should be two votes higher than it is. - SS