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Radeon HD 4870 X2 And GeForce 9800 GX2 Compared

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4:30 AM - 11/19/2008 by Tino Kreiss

In the last direct comparison, the high-end dual-chip models from AMD and Nvidia meet to do battle. The duel is somewhat unfair because the GeForce 9800 GX2 is no longer more than upper-middle class. A (non-existent) GTX 260 GX2 or GTX 280 GX2 would be the right competitor. But there is no need for the 9800 GX2 to hide. With the overclocked quad-core CPU as a base, the Nvidia card demonstrates extremely good performance, and AMD’s dual-chip response really has to fight.

You might not want to believe it, but it’s true—the weaker graphics chip of the GeForce 9800 GX2 seems to stress the CPU less, which pushes the frame rate up tremendously.

Assassins Creed in fps 1280
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HD 4870 X2 8.10 QX@3.67 65.4 66.9 67.5 51.3 52.2 52.8 356.1
9800 GX2 180.42 QX@3.67 91.3 92.3 86.7 77.0 72.4 65.8 485.5
Performance difference in percent -28.4 -27.5 -22.1 -33.4 -27.9 -19.8 -26.7

Incidentally, AMD has improved significantly in this area. Without Catalyst 8.10, the results would be up to 70% lower. AMD optimized the driver right on time.

Call of Duty 4 in fps 1280
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HD 4870 X2 8.10 QX@3.67 276.2 265.4 226.5 239.3 199.9 177.1 1384.4
9800 GX2 180.42 QX@3.67 214.0 189.4 158.1 179.5 155.8 131.9 1028.7
Performance difference in percent 29.1 40.1 43.3 33.3 28.3 34.3 34.6

With anti-aliasing, Nvidia runs out of memory and the dual-chip Radeon HD 4870 X2 pulls away.

Crysis High in fps 1280
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HD 4870 X2 8.10 QX@3.67 34.2 31.1 31.2 31.8 29.1 29.1 186.5
9800 GX2 180.42 QX@3.67 49.5 45.7 41.6 41.6 24.9 6.6 209.9
Performance difference in percent -30.9 -31.9 -25.0 -23.6 16.9 340.9 -11.1

This doesn’t look any different in very high quality mode. Nvidia has a clear advantage in Crysis without anti-aliasing. When activating anti-aliasing, the GeForce 9800 GX2 collapses even earlier due to its 2 x 512 MB of video memory. The Radeon HD 4870 X2 has 2 x 1 GB and takes an easy lead.

Crysis Very High in fps 1280
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HD 4870 X2 8.10 QX@3.67 29.4 26.3 25.7 27.4 24.4 23.8 157.0
9800 GX2 180.42 QX@3.67 42.3 33.8 27.8 28.6 15.0 1.0 148.5
Performance difference in percent -30.5 -22.2 -7.6 -4.2 62.7 2280.0 5.7

Quake Wars has always run slightly better on Nvidia graphics chips. The game relies on CPU power. Fast dual-chip cards are a handicap, it seems.

ET: Quake Wars in fps 1280
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HD 4870 X2 8.10 QX@3.67 90.1 87.6 89.1 86.4 86.3 86.1 525.6
9800 GX2 180.42 QX@3.67 99.6 101.9 90.2 103.0 100.1 97.6 592.4
Performance difference in percent -9.5 -14.0 -1.2 -16.1 -13.8 -11.8 -11.3

With Half Life 2 the results change. AMD graphics chips have always had a slight advantage here.

Half Life 2 Episode 2 in fps 1280
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HD 4870 X2 8.10 QX@3.67 130.3 123.5 119.9 128.6 123.4 122.4 748.1
9800 GX2 180.42 QX@3.67 123.6 117.6 117.2 123.7 119.1 118.2 719.4
Performance difference in percent 5.4 5.0 2.3 4.0 3.6 3.6 4.0

In Mass Effect you can see the true performance. The dual-chip HD 4870 X2 speeds up significantly at higher resolutions.

Mass Effect in fps 1280
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HD 4870 X2 8.10 QX@3.67 131.2 129.7 125.0 116.2 87.6 70.6 114.1 85.7 69.0 929.1
9800 GX2 180.42 QX@3.67 131.1 128.5 109.9 111.4 85.4 59.2 102.9 79.0 56.8 864.2
Performance difference in percent 0.1 0.9 13.7 4.3 2.6 19.3 10.9 8.5 21.5 7.5

Nvidia cards have had a 30% advantage from the very beginning. AMD has not been able so far to catch up in Microsoft Flight Simulator X.

MS FlightX SP2 in fps 1280
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HD 4870 X2 8.10 QX@3.67 29.1 29.7 29.4 29.8 29.8 29.3 177.1
9800 GX2 180.42 QX@3.67 40.6 41.5 40.5 41.6 42.9 41.0 248.1
Performance difference in percent -28.3 -28.4 -27.4 -28.4 -30.5 -28.5 -28.6

Without anti-aliasing the 9800 GX2 wins by far, but with anti-aliasing it’s all about pure graphics power and the Radeon HD 4870 X2 simply has more.

World in Conflict in fps 1280
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HD 4870 X2 8.10 QX@3.67 53.5 56.1 54.5 50.0 52.9 52.5 319.5
9800 GX2 180.42 QX@3.67 70.8 69.4 58.8 49.1 40.1 31.2 319.4
Performance difference in percent -24.4 -19.2 -7.3 1.8 31.9 68.3 0.0

Talkback
Anonymous 11/19/2008 10:40 AM
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neiroatopelcc 11/19/2008 12:37 PM
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"Because of accessories and price, Sapphire is our best-buy recommendation."
One slight warning about sapphire though. If you have problems, don't expect their support team to help you before you've solved the problem yourself!

I made a ticket regarding some issues with my 4870 on august 7th, and received a reply on the 26th of september! That's 46 days to address an error they simply stated would go away with a bios upgrade from their homepage!

As for the article, I actually liked the detailed driver errors they encountered. Not that I liked the errors themselves, but I liked them being explained. Usually you just read 'after spending some hours resolving driver errors ....' without getting any wiser.

Pei-chen 11/19/2008 3:11 PM
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ilovebarny 11/19/2008 3:37 PM
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Why didnt they use the GTX260 Core 216? its like way better than the regular GTX260. And i just read yesterday that Nvidia was only going to make GTX260 Core 216 now. http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php? [...] 7&Itemid=1

ilovebarny 11/19/2008 3:39 PM
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And i wish they had SLI'ed the 9800GTX+.

Chizops 11/19/2008 4:01 PM
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EnFoRceR22 11/19/2008 4:11 PM
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bdollar 11/19/2008 4:27 PM
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seems to me if you are going to be comparing the highest end cards and even crossfire them for 4x you would have the highest resolution as one of the options. i would think people considering going x2 in crossfire would consider a 30" screen.

don't get me wrong, i liked the article but would have liked to have seen the resolution spectrum hit the top.

Anonymous 11/19/2008 4:34 PM
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It's nice to see the 9800GX2 included in the tests. I was considering the 4870x2 due to all the rave reviews but they never had the comparison like this against my current 9800GX2. I won't be getting new card anytime soon it seems. Thanks.

Cleeve 11/19/2008 5:13 PM
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Wow, tons of info there, Tino. Nicely done!

marcolau 11/19/2008 5:37 PM
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neiroatopelcc is right , shappire support is non existent.

I bought a 2900 xt more than a year ago , on the box in huge letters the pomise for the blax box ( games from steam ) , well where are they ?

I am still waiting , i sent them an email but after a month no reply .

Good way to show how u care about your customers Shapphire and even better way to lose them.

now for 8 bucks difference i bought a Asus 4870 , i had a nice bag for cd software and games and i had them soon .

Bye Bye Shappire
So no more shappire , asus all the way :)

dirtmountain 11/19/2008 5:42 PM
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Well done, great information.

marcolau 11/19/2008 5:47 PM
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ah i forgot to mention it , i also get a slightly overclocked card with no warranty issues :)

scryer_360 11/19/2008 6:18 PM
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Wasn't there a comparison using Phenom, Yorkdale and Nehalem chips just a few weeks ago where dual and tri-sli GTX 280 cards were clearly superior to the 4870 X2 in single card and dual card (that is, one 4870 X2 and two 4870 X2s) configurations? What gives here where suddenly the 9800 GX2 is a powerful card again and the GTX 280 is presented as nothing but terrible?

Eh? These charts do not make sense either, we're getting a 9800 GX2 seemingly more powerful than a GTX 280 in here.

Was is das? Ich bin TERRIBLY CONFUSED.

bounty 11/19/2008 6:59 PM
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Basically except for a few games, new cards are pointless. In the last round Nvidia made cards that still don't play crysis well, but you may have gone from 100 to 130 fps in some other game (but it doesn't matter). And AMD caught up.

If it's CPU's that are the problem, then damnit, game developers seriously need to find some better multithreading optimizations.

BlakHart 11/19/2008 7:06 PM
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my 1gb 4870 is always left out :( lol

hellwig 11/19/2008 7:16 PM
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Scryer_360 :
Wasn't there a comparison using Phenom, Yorkdale and Nehalem chips just a few weeks ago where dual and tri-sli GTX 280 cards were clearly superior to the 4870 X2 in single card and dual card (that is, one 4870 X2 and two 4870 X2s) configurations? What gives here where suddenly the 9800 GX2 is a powerful card again and the GTX 280 is presented as nothing but terrible?Eh? These charts do not make sense either, we're getting a 9800 GX2 seemingly more powerful than a GTX 280 in here.Was is das? Ich bin TERRIBLY CONFUSED.




My thoughts too, their Best Video Card list from November had:

1) 4870 X2
2) GTX 280
3) 9800 GX2, GTX 260, 4870

But now the 9800 GX2 is superior/equal to a 4870 X2?

Slomo4shO 11/19/2008 7:41 PM
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I highly appreciate the "fps per watts" chart.

Seems the bottom line still is that everything past the 9800 GTX+ or 4850 is basically overkill for most 1680x1050 game play with the obvious exception being Crysis(this game is just coded poorly). Anything over 30 fps will hardly be noticable to the human eye so there really is no sense in buying a card that consumes 150 extra watts of power and costs $300 more so you can have 100+ fps.

dagger 11/19/2008 7:42 PM
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hellwig :
My thoughts too, their Best Video Card list from November had:1) 4870 X22) GTX 2803) 9800 GX2, GTX 260, 4870But now the 9800 GX2 is superior/equal to a 4870 X2?



That's only true in some games. Different engines handle different cards differently. Remember, 9800gx2's g92 is identical to that of a 9800gtx, single 4870 outperform 9800gtx by 20-30%, cf/sli/x2 depends highly on driver optimizations, 9800gx2 already has mature drivers, which means more efficient operations, smaller gap against 4870x2 overall, and outperforming it in a few games. 4870x2 will improve over time.

As for 9800gx2 outperforming gtx280, that has always been true. It's just few people realize it. Gtx280 cost $420, 9800gx2 $275. Nvidia's hype machine focus on current cash cow.
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Arbie 11/19/2008 7:44 PM
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Regarding the problems with the ASUS "SmartDoctor" Windows utility, my experience is the same as most people report: NEVER install an ASUS Windows app. They usually combine negligible functionality with a huge increase in problems. The only exception I've found is their PCProbe II which works well with their own motherboards. You can learn the easy way or the hard way on this. BTW I love my HD 4850.


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