can't decide on a nas drive.
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ryguybuddy
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Well the WD Reds are great for NAS and I have heard that Seagate drives aren't that reliable. I recommend the Reds.
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There was one series of Seagate 3tb drives that had a very high failure rate (and these drives no longer are manufactured), and unfortunately that has turned into Seagate is bad which is far from true. In fact these guys manufacture their drives (WD, HGST, Seagate) using almost identical equipment .
I have Seagate NAS drives in my server and they have been excellent, as well every Seagate drive I have owned for the past 25+ years has never failed on me.
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I've had 3 x 2tb WD Reds in my NAS for the last 2 years with zero issues. They're quiet, run cool and the SMART readings are extremely good for their age. If you can find a few on sale this coming Black Friday / Cyber Monday, I'd grab them - the 3tb or 4tb models should be the sweet spot for price vs. capacity, as long as your NAS hardware supports them.
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JaredDM
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I'd strongly suspect this was a "sponsored" damage control response. Seagate is a sponsor of Tom's hardware, so they'll defend their products even if they are garbage. Sure, Seagates built 25 yrs ago were great, and many of them are still running strong. If you're looking for a 10Gb drive, I'd still recommend them. But, that has nothing to do with their drives since the 1Tb days. Today they are flimsy throw away garbage construction with nearly 5x the failure rate of other drives.
From what we are seeing in the data recovery world, they are absolutely worse than other drives. To even attempt to compare them to HGST is just ignorant, to say the least. HGST is built to far higher specs, using much better materials and manufacturing than Seagate. You say that they all manufacture using "almost identical equipment", which is like saying "all artists paint with almost identical brushes". Doesn't mean the end result will have any relevant similarity or be comparable.
@OP, forget both Seagate and WD Red. Seagate is junk, WD Red is overpriced. Get a good pair of HGST drives for your NAS.
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HAH!
I wish I was sponsored, I am a volunteer, I have been checking my mailbox for a check from Seagate and yet it still has not shown up.
However I do work for the company (in real life) that makes the machines that Seagate, HGST, and WD all use to manufacture their drives. So I do have a bit of insight into how all of this works. Aside from my personal experience with Seagate drives.
The truth is you can't go wrong with any of the 3 major brands. But until you produce concrete proof (you can't) that Seagates have this mythical massive failure rate on all their drives, making such assertions is downright incorrect.
If you have a problem with the moderation staff answering questions here and are going to imply we are paid off then please feel free to PM me directly or I can direct your concerns to the administration of this site.
JaredDM
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How's that for proof: http://www.pcworld.com/article/3028981/storage/seagate-slapped-with-a-class-action-lawsuit-over-hard-drive-failure-rates.html
If you had one of these drives, you can sign up here: https://www.hbsslaw.com/cases/seagate
There's nothing 'mythical' about their failures. There was a firmware problem with the media cache and sector reallocation functions that would make the drive fail and completely go non-responsive as soon as they developed any bad sectors. We've recovered hundreds of these drives here, some with as little as 1 bad sector triggering the issue. The problem wasn't limited to the 3Tb's either. We weekly see 2Tb, 1Tb, and occasionally 4Tb models of the same STX000DM001 series with this issue. Also all of the current Seagate consumer drives are known to have extremely weak read/write heads which are known to fail faster than other brands. If you look at them internally, you can see that they are physically much smaller, thinner, lighter weight materials used in their construction.
WD has had a similar issue for years, commonly referred to as the "WD Slow Responding Glitch". However that only develops after a large amount of bad sectors have developed, so hasn't resulted in nearly as many warranty claims. HGST has yet to have any such firmware issue as their software archetecture is totally different.
If you had one of these drives, you can sign up here: https://www.hbsslaw.com/cases/seagate
There's nothing 'mythical' about their failures. There was a firmware problem with the media cache and sector reallocation functions that would make the drive fail and completely go non-responsive as soon as they developed any bad sectors. We've recovered hundreds of these drives here, some with as little as 1 bad sector triggering the issue. The problem wasn't limited to the 3Tb's either. We weekly see 2Tb, 1Tb, and occasionally 4Tb models of the same STX000DM001 series with this issue. Also all of the current Seagate consumer drives are known to have extremely weak read/write heads which are known to fail faster than other brands. If you look at them internally, you can see that they are physically much smaller, thinner, lighter weight materials used in their construction.
WD has had a similar issue for years, commonly referred to as the "WD Slow Responding Glitch". However that only develops after a large amount of bad sectors have developed, so hasn't resulted in nearly as many warranty claims. HGST has yet to have any such firmware issue as their software archetecture is totally different.
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Please note the FIRST sentence in my reply to the original poster
Backblaze has since said that current Seagate drives and other models are perfectly fine.
In fact if you review current year data:
http://www.pcworld.com/article/3071180/storage/who-makes-the-most-reliable-hard-drive-latest-backblaze-survey-claims-to-know.html
You will find Seagate at the same level as Toshiba and 3% lower than WD. With only HGST which i will agree is the highest quality manufacturer, lower.
Again if you are going to make implications, or insinuations please provide actual proveable facts.
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People can draw their own conclusions I guess. Personally, it's just as well for me if people do continue to buy Seagate drives. Their failures are actually very good for my business anyway. If everyone bought HGST, I'd be out of business.
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While I am partial to HGST He8 drives and even use them in one of my home storage arrays, I concur that all the major manufacturers are pretty much equal for failure rates on comparable models for the current crop of drives.
To say otherwise is simply uninformed based on the Backblaze billion hour data.
We all have personal preferences (mine is obviously HGST and no I don't get paid by them to say so) but anecdotal experience is not a valid basis for recommendations.
To say otherwise is simply uninformed based on the Backblaze billion hour data.
We all have personal preferences (mine is obviously HGST and no I don't get paid by them to say so) but anecdotal experience is not a valid basis for recommendations.
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