AMD reportedly strikes back with Zen 5 refresh to counter Intel's latest Arrow Lake Refresh CPUs — 65W Ryzen supercharged with 400 MHz base clock uplift and almost double the TDP
AMD, which is locked in constant competition with Intel to release the best CPUs, appears to be in retaliation mode. According to chi11eddog, a well-known hardware leaker, the chipmaker is refreshing at least two Zen 5 chips—the Ryzen 7 9700X and Ryzen 5 9600X—to better compete with Intel’s latest Core Ultra 200S Plus (codenamed Arrow Lake Refresh) series.
In the past, AMD has used the “XT” moniker to designate refreshed versions of its mainstream Ryzen processors. However, with the Zen 5 lineup, the chipmaker appears to be shifting its strategy by adopting a new naming convention that uses incremented model numbers rather than the traditional “XT” suffix. Instead of going with the Ryzen 7 9700XT or Ryzen 5 9600XT, AMD is reportedly planning to market these refreshed chips as the Ryzen 7 9750X and Ryzen 5 9650X, respectively, much like its recent 9850X3D.
The change in nomenclature would imply that AMD may be aiming to create a clearer distinction between its vanilla and refreshed processors. The Ryzen 7 9750X and Ryzen 5 9650X would be a clear response to the intensified competition from Intel's recently-announced Arrow Lake Refresh. AMD's rumored new naming approach isn't awful, either, as it could help consumers more easily identify overall improvements, with higher numbers indicating better performance.
Ryzen 7 9750X and Ryzen 5 9650X Specifications*
Processor | Cores / Threads | Base / Boost Clock (GHz) | L3 Cache | TDP (W) | MSRP |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Ryzen 7 9750X | 8 / 16 | 4.2 / 5.6 | 32 | 120 | ? |
Ryzen 7 9700X | 8 / 16 | 3.8 / 5.5 | 32 | 65 | $359 |
Ryzen 5 9650X | 6 / 12 | 4.3 / 5.5 | 32 | 120 | ? |
Ryzen 5 9600X | 6 / 12 | 3.9 / 5.4 | 32 | 65 | $279 |
*Specifications are unconfirmed by AMD.
The Ryzen 7 9750X and Ryzen 5 9650X will reportedly retain the core specifications of their standard counterparts, with the primary improvements manifesting as higher clock speeds. That's the standard hallmark of processor refreshes, after all. The Ryzen 7 9750X and Ryzen 5 9650X should offer tangible performance gains. According to the leaked information, the duo of refresh chips will flaunt a 400 MHz increase in base clock speeds and a 100 MHz bump in boost clock speeds. It translates to an impressive 10% uplift in base clock frequency, although the boost clock improvement is a more modest 2%.
The trade-off for higher clock speeds is increased power consumption. The Ryzen 7 9750X and Ryzen 5 9650X may feature a 120W TDP, a significant jump from the original 65W TDP of the Ryzen 7 9700X and Ryzen 5 9600X. It represents nearly a twofold increase, but that depends on how you look at it. Previously, AMD addressed the underwhelming performance of the original chips by introducing a 105W TDP option. Using that as a reference point, the Ryzen 7 9750X and Ryzen 5 9650X only portray a 15W increase, about 14% higher.
The higher clock speeds and TDP may appear incremental on paper, but in real-world usage, they would allow the processors to maintain higher sustained clock speeds, yielding better overall performance. TDP only describes the thermal design of the processor, however. Real-world power consumption is a different metric entirely.
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AMD’s decision to refresh the Ryzen 7 9700X and Ryzen 5 9600X is no coincidence. Mid-range processors are strong sellers for AMD, and the chipmaker seeks to maintain and increase its market share in the highly competitive segment. The original Ryzen 7 9700X and Ryzen 5 9600X debuted in 2024 with MSRPs of $359 and $279, respectively, but their prices have since dropped to $307 and $184. The pricing strategy for the upcoming Ryzen 7 9750X and Ryzen 5 9650X will be especially important, as Intel has already positioned the rivaling Core Ultra 7 270K Plus and Core Ultra 5 250K Plus at aggressive price points of $199 and $299, respectively. The stage is set for a fascinating showdown, if AMD's rumored refreshes actually make it to market.
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darylzero Can most 9700x chips be over-clocked to the same frequency?Reply
Twice the power for such little gain, doesn't seem like it will be a good chip -
VizzieTheViz Too bad they used xx50 for the top tier models earlier, otherwise this naming scheme would be fine.Reply
I’d have preferred if they’d gone xxx5 (if the must have a five somewhere) for refreshes, so you’ll get 9605, 9705 and so on. Probably not an option because marketing likes higher numbers.
I don’t really see the benefit for consumers here, but the cpus will probably not use much more power than the non refresh models unless stressed fully all the time. -
usertests Intel's refresh is interesting because they possibly "fixed" Arrow Lake by raising the D2D clock. This isn't.Reply
Interesting from AMD would be releasing the 9950X3D2 (confirmed in EEC filing but not launched alongside the 9850X3D), and Strix Point desktop APUs, which will end up in OEM PCs like the 8700G does (only Krackan-based Zen 5 desktop APUs are confirmed so far). -
DS426 Reply
Can't tell at face value as the higher TDP's should result in higher sustained clocks under heavy loads. This is very important in gaming as it can make fps spikes less drastic, improve 0.1% and 1% fps lows, and overall result in smoother visuals. When the top-end performance isn't needed, power draw should be very similar to their outgoing counterparts.darylzero said:...
Twice the power for such little gain, doesn't seem like it will be a good chip
One issue that I see is that this changes system design; previous PC parts inventories/sourcing might need changed for some builders and OEM's if marginal fans, motherboards, PSU's, etc. are used on cheaper 9600X and 9700X PC models that won't suffice for successor 9650X and 9750X models; in other words, system cost will be higher as better system components will be necessary. It's not a big issue, especially since 65W TDP mode can be enabled in BIOS . -
Gururu So Intel refresh actually puts more cores but AMD just adds more power and frequency. Intel’s refresh doesn’t really bring them to AMD gaming level, and AMD’s won’t bring them to Intel productivity level. I think I like having more cores in a refresh though than just a power up.Reply -
thestryker Here's hoping this leak is incorrect. While the 9850X3D is somewhat questionable due to blowing the power budget there is no question that those chips are better binned. In this case it sounds more like turning on PBO and barely increasing the core clock which most, if not all should be able to do already. No 9600X/9700X in the DIY space is ever running at base clock under load (they shouldn't in the SI space either, but I never want to underestimate their corner cutting capacity). In the end this would make these less of an upgrade than Intel 13th to 14th Gen was.Reply -
usertests Reply
Intel had the flexibility to add more cores because they have an 8P + 16E die, and left a conspicuous gap they could fill with the 6P + 12E 250K. Then the 270K acts as a price cut of the full fat 285K, except that the 270K might be better than it from the D2D increase.Gururu said:So Intel refresh actually puts more cores but AMD just adds more power and frequency. Intel’s refresh doesn’t really bring them to AMD gaming level, and AMD’s won’t bring them to Intel productivity level. I think I like having more cores in a refresh though than just a power up.
AMD could technically do the same by launching 7-core and 14-core chips, but don't want to have odd core counts and compact segmentation. What they should do is let prices fall. If the 270K at $300 ends up faster than the 9900X in multithreading, then a 9900X shouldn't be $370 anymore. -
thestryker Reply
Jaykihn reporting P-core boost clocks for >2 core load are the same as the 285K which will make the 270K faster any time the E-cores are also engaged since they're 100 MHz faster.usertests said:Then the 270K acts as a price cut of the full fat 285K, except that the 270K might be better than it from the D2D increase.
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If the 270K at $300 ends up faster than the 9900X in multithreading, then a 9900X shouldn't be $370 anymore. -
usertests Reply
I already expected the 270K to be faster than the 285K most of the time, but that's funny.thestryker said:Jaykihn reporting P-core boost clocks for >2 core load are the same as the 285K which will make the 270K faster any time the E-cores are also engaged since they're 100 MHz faster.
Is it crazy for me to say that the 9900X should be as low as sub-$300? I checked Tom's and TPU initial reviews of the 285K, and it was already on par or faster than the 9900X in gaming. A 270K should be beating the 9900X in most multithreaded/productivity situations, with the exception of AVX-512 workloads. -
Skramblr Reply
I think what is apparent here is AMD could not launch an all new processor with more cores in time to meet the Intel launch, as that requires designing a new processor. Instead, they did a knee jerk reaction and appear to have simply overclocked an existing chip. Very little effort, but seems crazy to double a chip's power like that. That seems like a fall back to the failing Bulldozer strategy.usertests said:AMD could technically do the same by launching 7-core and 14-core chips, but don't want to have odd core counts and compact segmentation.