Intel and AMD are unlikely allies in new x86 ecosystem advisory group – "we'll remain fierce competitors"

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In a rare public-facing display of cooperation between two of the industry's fiercest rivals, Intel and AMD jointly announced the formation of a new x86 advisory group to ensure a unified x86 instruction set architecture (ISA) moving forward, an important consideration given both the potential addition of new features and the various x86 simplification efforts already underway.

The companies announced the new x86 ecosystem advisory group at the 2024 OCP Summit. It already has several notable industry software and hardware stalwarts as participants, including Google, Broadcom, Dell, HP, Lenovo, Microsoft, Meta, Oracle, and Red Hat, with more to come in the future.  

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  • Findecanor
    Judging by the illustration, the group would be based in South Korea?
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  • bit_user
    It's a little hard to see what's in this for Intel, but my best guess is that they caught flak from big customers for reversing course on AVX-512 and doing AVX10.

    Also, if they want to stave off the assault from ARM and RISC-V, then there's an incentive for getting these ISA extensions deployed and utilized in the field, on a more aggressive time table. Having a situation where AMD drags its feet on a certain ISA extension could mean that software developers are less likely to utilize it, and that ultimately hurts Intel and undermines the point of even having the extension.

    The article said:
    Intel and AMD are the only two primary x86 architecture licensees that build new processors in high volumes, creating a duopoly.
    VIA is another licensee and has been engaged with Zhaoxin to design and build new x86 CPUs. Given the potential size of the Chinese market, I think they might qualify as high-volume.
    https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/cpus/chinese-chipmaker-with-x86-license-releases-surprisingly-modern-new-chips-made-with-a-mystery-process-node-xhaoxin-kx-7000-cpu-launches-with-eight-cores-37ghz-clocks-pcie-40-and-ddr5-memory-support
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  • Kamen Rider Blade
    Hell has Finally FROZEN OVER!
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  • Kamen Rider Blade
    Maybe we can get Intel to allow AMD in on the ATX Spec.

    There are a few things I want to modify as well.

    First, we need to get rid of 12VHPWR & 12v-2x6 and kill it.

    Start over from scratch to make a BETTER/SAFER High Wattage Plug.

    The current plug is just badly architected with not enough safety margin from the outset.

    Also, the Backside mounted MoBo Connectors are dumb.

    We need to nip that in the bud.

    We need "Right-Angle Receptacles & Plugs to become the standard.

    We also need to bring back all our PCIe Rear Add-In slots.

    M.2 Connectors can be adapted to PCIe slots, not the other way around.

    Don't allow MoBo makers to force M.2 Connectors by default on the MoBo to eat away our PCIe slots.
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  • NinoPino
    Findecanor said:
    Judging by the illustration, the group would be based in South Korea?
    That symbol is of Chinese origin.
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  • ekio
    Amd and Intel KNOW x86 is a dead technology that is kept alive through bandaids and they know their value is bound to keeping it alive as long as they can.

    The healthy way of moving on would be to embrace arm or risc-v with advanced x86 to modern isa software translators for the transition phase, but that would mean the end of the duopole…
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  • coolitic
    They know the reaper is coming
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  • Kamen Rider Blade
    ekio said:
    Amd and Intel KNOW x86 is a dead technology that is kept alive through bandaids and they know their value is bound to keeping it alive as sling as they can.

    The healthy way of moving on would be to embrace arm or risc-v with advanced x86 to modern isa software translators, but that would mean the end of the duopole…
    x86 is 4 Life! & 4 EVAR!
    Juqm94sUV_E

    But in all seriousness:

    The ARM vs x86 debate largely doesn't matter. It's outdated.
    Conclusion: Implementation Matters, not ISA

    Jim Keller agrees that the ISA doesn't really matter either
    yTMRGERZrQE
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  • Kamen Rider Blade
    ekio said:
    Amd and Intel KNOW x86 is a dead technology that is kept alive through bandaids and they know their value is bound to keeping it alive as long as they can.

    The healthy way of moving on would be to embrace arm or risc-v with advanced x86 to modern isa software translators for the transition phase, but that would mean the end of the duopole…
    What we need is for nVIDIA & Qualcomm to be allowed to buy x86 Licenses and join the x86 Family of CPU makers.
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  • bit_user
    Kamen Rider Blade said:
    But in all seriousness:

    The ARM vs x86 debate largely doesn't matter. It's outdated.
    I have a lot of respect for most of what they publish, but the author clearly didn't do his research, as he wasn't even aware of APX.

    Kamen Rider Blade said:
    Jim Keller agrees that the ISA doesn't really matter either
    I think he's been out of the game, for too long. Either that, or he felt it would be uncouth to undercut his former employers (AMD and Intel), if he started badmouthing their ISA. But, when time came for him to integrate CPU cores into Tenstorrent's products, did he try to license IP from AMD or Intel? No. He first went to ARM, and then decided RISC-V was better for the flexibility it gave him.

    Kamen Rider Blade said:
    What we need is for nVIDIA & Qualcomm to be allowed to buy x86 Licenses and join the x86 Family of CPU makers.
    At this point, I'm sure they wouldn't even bother if they could.
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