Flock cameras mistakenly track car reviewer over 'stolen' tags — police ambush tester in store parking lot and detain him for an hour
An inaccurate police report and Flock AI's misreading of vehicle tags led to an unnecessary confrontation for a car reviewer.
A data entry error in Flock’s system has resulted in a car reviewer getting boxed in by police cars in a parking lot on suspicion that he was driving a vehicle with stolen tags. The Drive reviewer and Director of Content and Product, Joel Feder, was driving a $155,000 loaner Range Rover when police surrounded his vehicle.
When he asked why he was stopped (and by four police cars, nonetheless), the officers said the car’s plate had been reported stolen and that they’d been tracking him for days using the Flock app. After about an hour of trying to figure out why he was stopped, it turned out that a different plate with similar characters had been misplaced and had to be reported stolen in California, which triggered a nationwide alert on Flock.
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The core of the issue is that the New Jersey plates on the Range Rover read 34 10 DTM, with the number 10 written in smaller font. This is a non-standard design used by New Jersey for manufacturers, with VEHICLE MFR written on the bottom of the tags. The missing plate was 34 03 DTM, but unfortunately, the LAPD police report only listed 34 DTM.
Another issue with the Flock system compounded this reporting error. Since the New Jersey manufacturer tags weren’t standard, it only read the larger numbers and letters and disregarded the smaller “10” on Feder’s plate. Because of this, it flagged all vehicles with the 34 ## DTM plate as stolen and alerted partner police forces whenever it detected a similar plate on the road. Feder even said that four other vehicles with a similar plate were being tracked throughout Minnesota, and it just so happens that he was the first to be intercepted.
The police said they had been tracking the vehicle for days using Flock’s AI cameras, but kept losing it because Feder parked it in his covered garage. So, when he stopped at a retail store, the authorities jumped on the chance and boxed him in to ensure that he did not escape. Thankfully, the issue was resolved on the spot with the officers, although it took an hour to verify with Jaguar Land Rover that the car or the plates Feder had were not stolen. Still, the journalist was advised to go straight home, as other police agencies using Flock might not be aware of the situation, which could lead to him getting stopped again on suspicion of driving a stolen luxury car.
These two errors compounded together to create a rather harrowing experience with the police. Thankfully, the incident did not turn into something serious, especially as the Plymouth Police told Feder that the cops would have stopped him with guns drawn if he were in Minneapolis.
This event adds to the numerous controversies that Flock AI has been facing, with one of the biggest issues the company faced recently being when several police officers were arrested for misusing the service to stalk romantic partners. This has led citizens to push back against the service, especially as news like this makes them lose trust in the authorities. It has even gotten to the point where a Texas town council member broke into a tantrum, proposing a total ban on cellular and GPS devices, after community pressure led to the cancellation of the service.
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Jowi Morales is a tech enthusiast with years of experience working in the industry. He’s been writing with several tech publications since 2021, where he’s been interested in tech hardware and consumer electronics.
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TechieTwo Garbage in = garbage out. Negligence by the data entry person and a warning about AI's limitations and NJ's oddball plates. I'll bet Flock caught a lot of real crims in the hour it took CA cops to sort out the mistakes.Reply -
jmcgaw So, Flock made a false police report. Isn't that a felony in nearly every jurisdiction? Oh, and the police were not quite bright enough to actually look at the plates in question and see that there was no match? As if there wasn't enough natural stupid in the world, we now have machine-augmented stupid.Reply -
PEnns And the worst part of the story??Reply
"..a $155,000 loaner Range Rover"
Range Rover?? Sheesh, one could buy a real car with that amount, like a very decent used Ferrari !! -
Rabohinf "Thankfully, the incident did not turn into something serious . . . "Reply
Are you kidding me? -
chaos215bar2 So much to not like here. Not the least of which is this:Reply
Thankfully, the incident did not turn into something serious, especially as the Plymouth Police told Feder that the cops would have stopped him with guns drawn if he were in Minneapolis.
Just in this one sentence,
How is being detained by the police for an hour under false suspicion not "serious"?
How would the Plymouth Police know how Minneapolis police would respond? This sounds like utter crap.
Why would Minneapolis police respond with guns drawn when they already know they have at most a 1 in 4 chance of stopping the right car, and likely much lower, because the original report was in LA!Read between the lines, and this one article touches on nearly everything that's wrong with policing in the US.
You have mass surveillance, which is somehow not a 4th amendment violation because reasons. You have overreacting police who have no excuse not to have known ahead of time they almost certainly have the wrong vehicle. You have an innocent car reviewer detained for an hour due to incompetence. And you have… whatever stupid political deflection that Minneapolis comment represents.
The reality here is that, first, Flock simply shouldn't exist. Their entire product is an absolutely wild end run around the 4th amendment. But beyond that, Plymouth Police utterly failed to do basic due diligence. What would they have done if they hadn't been able to prove the reviewer's innocence right on the spot? Would they have jailed him and impounded the car over a partial match to stolen plates reported in California?
There are probably hundreds of plates in the US, across all states, that match 34 ## DTM. -
bigdragon I kind of wish this incident had turned violent. I don't want to advocate for the loss of life, but I feel like that's the only way to get the people spreading Flock and other AI-assisted surveillance technologies to back off.Reply
Where I live, us residents can complain and oppose Flock cameras all we want. Our representatives keep putting in the cameras. We vote in new people and the new people keep spreading the cameras. This will reduce crime, save the children, protect/find pets, increase traffic safety, save money, and some new marketing excuse they'll come up with next they said. Opposing people with psychological and behavioral experts on their marketing team is impossible. "Serious" incidents seem to be the only way to get people to wake up or snap out of the Jedi mind trick marketing. -
VizzieTheViz how are Americans not up in arms about this?Reply
If there had been suspicion of a little more serious crime or the suspect had been a little less white the consequences could have been horrible.
The us police is obviously not ready to use this tech in a responsible way. The issue isn’t the tech is fallible, it’s that the police could easily have known not to do this and they just didn’t bother to do their job properly. Human in the loop is useless if the human doesn’t do what it’s supposed to.
Just get rid of this stuff before the US makes China looks like a pretty nice place with moderate surveillance. -
TerryLaze Reply
How would police violence have any effect on flock?!?bigdragon said:I kind of wish this incident had turned violent. I don't want to advocate for the loss of life, but I feel like that's the only way to get the people spreading Flock and other AI-assisted surveillance technologies to back off.
This incident could have happened the exact same way without flock, the officers could have just spotted the car themselves and reacted the exact same way.
Flock just spots the cars and gives the officers the info.