Deck in Progress: Titled Nosferatu Combat Deck

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I started messing around with the Weenie-Potence Gate deck and ended up
with this. It's pretty rough right now, but I thought you guys would
get a kick out of it.

Crypt
Marty Lechtansi (Primogen) 9 Cap: POT OBF DOM ani for - 1 press each
combat
Selma the Repugnant (Prince of Cleveland) 8 Cap: POT OBF for ani - +1
intercept v. Nos (whee!)
Nikolaus Vermeulen (Prince of Brussels) 7 Cap: POT obf for ani - may
move blood to any uncontrolled Nos
Murat (Prince of Istanbul) 7 Cap: POT OBF ser - stupid ability
Calebros, the Martyr (Price of New York) 5 cap: ANI pot obf
Grendel the Wormeaten 5 Cap: OBF pot ani
Sammy 4 Cap: pot obf ani
Agrippina 4 Cap: OBF pot
Duck 3 Cap: pot obf
Dimple 2 Cap: obf
Koko 2 Cap: pot
Hesina Kesi 1 Cap: pot - Caitiff

Master
Mob Connections
Elder Library
The Labyrinth
Potence x4
Anarch Troublemaker
Trophy: Hunting Ground
Trophy: Discipline

Political Cards
3xNosferatu Justicar
3xPraxis Seizures
2xArchon
4xAnathema
1xTrumped-Up Charges

Actions
4xKindred Intellegence
4xBlood Hunt
3xRed List

Action Modifiers
5xHidden Lurker
6xSwallowed by the Night

Combat
28xThrown Gate
10xIncreased Strength

Equipment
2xHawg

Reaction
5x 2nd Tradition

 

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Morgan Vening wrote:

> With Nos, I'm more tempted to use a Aid from Bats/Carrion Crows module
> as opposed a potence module, just for the fact it helps get around
> Dodge combat defence.

Yeah, see, this deck isn't so much a "module". Like half the deck is
potence. It is just that the way the potence is used is kind of
questionable.


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de ja vu!

seems like you came to a similar concept that i had a few weeks (or was
it months?) back. you can probably dig up my deck on the message boards
of the path of blood. check the general deck forum for all the other
non-assamite decks.

was mine good? well, everyone told me it wasn't, so i guess it wasn't.
but you can learn some stuff from there i guess. i found the potence
combat angle rather card intensive and has the potential to choke, but
your base thrown gate module has serious potential.

i was a bit more greedy and direct. i focused on obfuscate evil.
disguise out an agg poke weapon (ivory bows and blow torches work well)
and throw out amaranths. either you have the archon on (hence immune to
diablerie blood hunt) or have enough votes on the table to null any fear
of diablerie. and the owl familiars are there to see if they have s:ce.
if they don't, oh well, torp 'em. if they do, oh well, everyone knows
what they have and you flush out a s:ce. i'd try to bargain favors out
of the archon rush if you can.

it was called something like Nos Princes g1/2, probably somewhere on the
2nd page of that board by now. maybe it can help you.

 

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On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 19:09:21 -0500, Peter D Bakija
<pdb6@lightlink.com> wrote:

>Morgan Vening wrote:
>
>> With Nos, I'm more tempted to use a Aid from Bats/Carrion Crows module
>> as opposed a potence module, just for the fact it helps get around
>> Dodge combat defence.
>
>Yeah, see, this deck isn't so much a "module". Like half the deck is
>potence. It is just that the way the potence is used is kind of
>questionable.

So, it's a BIG module? *wry smile* It's still fairly pluggable, either
way. I just look at all my decks as composed of modules. This is the
intercept module (Permacepts, master and otherwise, transient, etc). I
gather that 'module' in common usage is a small element that can be
introduced to most/any decks? I've just seen it used to refer to 24+
card selections previously (Thaum discussion), and this had 38.
Where's the line drawn?

Morgan Vening

 

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Morgan Vening wrote:

> Where's the line drawn?

I tend to draw the line any time someone uses the word "module", as I think
it tends to be used kind of excessively, but that is 'cause I am a
crumudgeon

This being said, I generally look at the word "module" as refering to a
small interchangeable chunk of cards, rather than the main focus of the
deck. But then again, I tend not to use the word, so I'm not really a good
judge...


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I have had some success i my play group with a Nos/!Nos Vote deck with hit
back as combat defense.
I am at work now so i can't post it and it is built under 4CL, still if i
remember correct i have sweeped a table when i visited a NCL playgroup
when i was traveling related to my job.

It is built around Cailian and Emerson (the ones with PRE) and use Carrion
Crows, and long range strikes, sometimes increased strength and
manuevers and heavy stealth (i.e. forgotten labyrint) to get votes through.


"Preston" <prestonpoulter@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1111508144.677137.266720@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> I started messing around with the Weenie-Potence Gate deck and ended up
> with this. It's pretty rough right now, but I thought you guys would
> get a kick out of it.
>
> Crypt
> Marty Lechtansi (Primogen) 9 Cap: POT OBF DOM ani for - 1 press each
> combat
> Selma the Repugnant (Prince of Cleveland) 8 Cap: POT OBF for ani - +1
> intercept v. Nos (whee!)
> Nikolaus Vermeulen (Prince of Brussels) 7 Cap: POT obf for ani - may
> move blood to any uncontrolled Nos
> Murat (Prince of Istanbul) 7 Cap: POT OBF ser - stupid ability
> Calebros, the Martyr (Price of New York) 5 cap: ANI pot obf
> Grendel the Wormeaten 5 Cap: OBF pot ani
> Sammy 4 Cap: pot obf ani
> Agrippina 4 Cap: OBF pot
> Duck 3 Cap: pot obf
> Dimple 2 Cap: obf
> Koko 2 Cap: pot
> Hesina Kesi 1 Cap: pot - Caitiff
>
> Master
> Mob Connections
> Elder Library
> The Labyrinth
> Potence x4
> Anarch Troublemaker
> Trophy: Hunting Ground
> Trophy: Discipline
>
> Political Cards
> 3xNosferatu Justicar
> 3xPraxis Seizures
> 2xArchon
> 4xAnathema
> 1xTrumped-Up Charges
>
> Actions
> 4xKindred Intellegence
> 4xBlood Hunt
> 3xRed List
>
> Action Modifiers
> 5xHidden Lurker
> 6xSwallowed by the Night
>
> Combat
> 28xThrown Gate
> 10xIncreased Strength
>
> Equipment
> 2xHawg
>
> Reaction
> 5x 2nd Tradition
>

 

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Preston wrote:

> Yes and no. In part it depends on if they ever block me.

Why is anyone ever going to block you?

If they block you, you beat them up. If you don't block them and they aren't
trying to beat you up, then you don't get beaten up. It is never a good
idea, in, well, any kind of deck, to rely on your opponent to block you.
'Cause if blocking you makes your deck work, your opponents will stop
blocking you. And there really isn't that much you have to block.


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> Yes and no. In part it depends on if they ever block me. If I go to
> call a one of their minions Red List and they block and S:CE I can
> usually Hidden Lurker and hurt them. Decks that just never block and
> have combat defence are a bit of a problem.

I built and played a hidden lurker deck with some degree of success,
but the trick is you need to play strong actions that are directed at
your prey to cause the block. My deck was dominate weenies with
Samantha who used hidden lurker. On the build up, she'd get Zillah's
Tears, I'd have Mylan out and I also had a couple precognizant
mobilities for the few vamps with auspex.

The weenies would rush bleed forward, if blocked, Samantha would bin
the vamp (using blood rage if they had fortitude).

The problem was that whilst it did have the ability to bin vampires, it
was not very good at ousting players. Sure, vamps went to torpor, but
by then, I had usually used all my available bleed actions. Then they
would just rescue themselves or be rescued.

I always thought that Caliean would make a better hidden lurker. Set
range close, punch for 1, disarm, decapitate.... AND he has dominate.
And he can get an Eternal Vigilance to help defend the fort.

--> J

 

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In message <qka141hju190tkght85l7q1qojtdeos8e0@4ax.com>, Morgan Vening
<morgan@optusnet.com.au> writes:
>Also, is it just me, or do a couple of Closed Session/Private Audience
>for a Prince+/Archbishop+ vote deck (obviously weenie vote is
>different) seem like a lock? Or is it just considered not an issue in
>most metagames?

True for many situations, of course.

However, if there is an opposing vote deck on the table, there's no way
to control if it's Camarilla, Independent (less likely - fewer options)
or Sabbat. So you can just as easily find yourself on a table where it
isn't so hot.

Then, lots of vote defence doesn't rely on titles - Delaying Tactics is
the canonical popular card, I like Vox Senis (votes to Methuselah),
others like Vox Domini (limited, but good). When votes fail, you might
prefer another copy of them in a deck to a Closed Session.

Also, as an action modifier, Closed Session/Private Audience is
vulnerable to D.I. - less of an issue, because Bewitching Oration and
Awe are too. But, if your vote aggression relies on Closed Session, one
D.I. hits it. If it relies on BO/Awe, you can play one, DI, play the
other.


Of course, the Nosferatu (who you talk about in the post) can try for
Animal Magnetism. But, there are 12 Nosferatu (or Nosferatu Antitribu)
with a title that could play Closed Session or Private Audience who also
have Obf/Ani.

However, the [1/2] Nossie only have two vamps with OBF/ANI - Sheldon and
Harrod. [2/3] get Harrod, Casino Reeds and Cock Robin. The !Nossie get
3 in group 2 (Yong Sun, Yong Sun++, Cailean) and one in group 3 (Aeron).
All of these are big vampires, though, making it awkward for them.

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Hey everybody. Thanks for the comments so far. Here is tonights version
(1.2):

Crypt
2xMurat
2xNikolaus Vermeulen (I've decided he rocks)
Selma the Repugnant
Calebros the Maytr
Sammy
Koko
Agrippina
Dimple
Duck
Marty Lechtansi

Update changes: I decided the deck would be less vulnerable and more
reproducible if I was certain to get a prince in my opening crypt draw.
Consequentally, I took all of the Praxis Seixures out of the deck. I am
still pondering Marty.

Master Cards 13
Potencex7
Elder Library
The Barrens
Mob Connections
Anarch Troublemaker
The Rack
Trophy: Hunting Ground (I've come to love this card on Nikolaus
Vermeulen)

Political Actions 12
4 Anathemas
3 Consanguineous Boon
Trumped-Up Charges
2 Nosferatu Justicar
2 Archon

Actions 14
3 Third Tradition: Progeny
4 Bloodhunts
3 Big Games
1 Harass
3 Red Lists

Action Modifers 7
4 Hidden Lurkers
3 Swallowed by the Nights

Combat 35
10 Increased Strength
22 Thrown Gates
3 Mighty Grapples

Reaction 9
6 2nd Traditions
3 Rats Warnings

I feel that the deck is starting to gel and I am going to start making
smaller, more subtle changes.

Cheers,
Preston

 

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Actually played the deck in my regular play group today. I greatly
enjoyed the games and liked the way the deck performed. In game one my
Predator and Grand Predator where both playing combat decks. I brought
up Agrippina, bleed for one, and gave her Superior potence before my
Predator uncovered her Haven, enhanced his strength twice and threw a
six point gate (compared to my 2 point reprisal). I brought up
Nikolaus, whilst my grand predator torpored, and was torpored by, my
predators minion. I was able to then negotiate with my Predator, who
was down some pool and hurting, but had intercept and plenty of combat
that if he would let me alone for a turn or two I would Anathema my
grand predators big minion and let him gain the pool. He bought it, and
I got to Third Tradtion, rescue, and Con Boon.

By the time it came back around to me again both my predator and grand
predator had nothing but torpored minions and my predator transferred
out. I called an Anathema on my Prey's minion, bleed him, and
transferred Marty out. My Prey had the Anathemaed minion reach Golconda
for 10 (ouch), and bleed out his prey. It was a three player game at
this point which was quickly about to become a two player game since my
Predator didn't even have a minion up. On my turn I Anathema'd another
of my Prey's minions and burned him (using Marty's press ability-
yea!). From there my Prey ousted his prey and then conceeded the game
to me as I torpored/burned all of his minions. That left me tied with 2
VPs with my prey.

In the second game my Prey was playing an Anneke based Intercept deck
and my Predator was playing an infernal sneak and bleed deck. My deck
got out and developed early. I brought up Duck first, then Murat. Murat
blocked one of my minions equip actions and gated him for 4. Murat
Third Traditioned, and I then con booned, and brought up Koko and
Agrippina- for a total of 5 minions two games in a row! My prey brought
up Anneke, blocked one of my actions and concealed a Sniper Rifle into
play. He would Sniper me for two and I would gate him for two.

My Predator bleed me for a lot (he was under no pressure as my grand
predator was a newbie who did not use any minion phase actions). I was
down to 2 on my turn with an Anathema. I had torpored two of my prey's
minions with 2nd Traditions off of Murat followed by gates. I declared
Agrippina Nosfeatu Justicar which gave me table vote lock. I then tried
to choose between Anatheming Anneke or my Predators 10 cap infernal
bleeder (who had 2 pool). I suggested that my Prey let me Anathema my
Predator and go backwards, and he seemed agreeable but then 2nd
traidtioned and blocked my vote. We hit each other for 2 but I finally
drew into a Hidden Lurker and torpored my Prey's last mnion. I drew
into another Con Boon and gained 5 pool to go to 7 with a board of
tapped minions and a Predator with 2 run down Infernal guys.

As it turned out, my Predator bleed me out for 7 exactly and I was
ousted. All and all, I was pretty happy with how it performed. I am now
contemplating switching out one of the Murats with another Selma (to
make more use of the Rat's Warnings) and putting in maybe two skin of
steels.

Comments?

 

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I also thought about it and I am switching out a Fragment of the Book
of Nod for The Barrens. It is more useful and it encourages people to
take it, which allows me to retake it and set up the Hidden Lurker. I
am also taking out the Rat's Warning in favor of Wakes since no one in
the deck has Superior Animalism (outside of Celebros). Since making
that change I am switching the Selma back to Murat. So the deck is now:

Crypt
2x Murat POT OBF ser Price
Marty Lechtansi POT OBF DOM ani for Primogen: Pay 1 for optional press
Nikolaus Vermelenx2 POT ani obf for Prince
Selma the Repugnant OBF POT for ani Prince
Calebros rhe Martyr ANI pot obf
Agrippina OBF pot
Sammy pot ani obf
Duck obf pot
Koko pot
Dimple obf

Master 13
Anarch Troublemaker
Potencex7
Elder Library
Fragment of the Book of Nod
The Rack
Mob Connections
Trophy: Hunting Ground

Political Actions 12
Consanguineous Boonx3
Nosferatu Justicarx2
Anathemax4
Archonx2
Trumped-Up Charges

Actions 14
Red Listx3
Big Gamex3
Harass
Blood Huntx4
The Third Tradition: Progenyx3

Action Modifiers 7
Hidden Lurkerx4
Swallowed by the Nightx3

Combat 35
Increased Strengthx10
Might Grapplex3
22xThrown Gates

Reactions 9
Wake with Evenings Freshenessx3
Second Tradtion: Domain x6

 

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After some further playtesting, I am taking out the Anarch
Troublemaker. He was really only in the deck because this deck has a
vulnerability to ranged damage attacks and something like an Ivory Bow
could spell trouble. So the thinking was the Anarch Troublemaker would
take care of any bows or other annoying equipment. However, under the
philosophy that "I really want people to block me so that I can Lurker
them" I am adding the Archanum Investigator. He is an ally that can as
a directed action (no stealth) burn any equipment controlled by
predator or prey. He seems like a perfect card to make someone want to
block. In it's place in the Mastercard slot is Powerbase Montreal. This
card is great because it also makes people want to block you should
they steal it.

I am taking out the Elder Library and replacing it with a Dreams of the
Sphinx. I am taking out the two Archons because my poor Princes seem
to have such full calendars when they come out that they have a hard
time getting around to stuff and it's a hard vote to pass. In their
place I am putting Year of Fortune and the Arcanum Investigator I
talked about above. I have also come to the conclusion that Trumped-Up
Charges is better than Red List in this deck and it's a pretty easy
vote to pass unless you are targetting the political player.

So now the deck list is:
1 Calebros
1 Murat
2 Selma the Repugnant
2 Nikolaus Vermeulen
1 Marty Lechtansi
Duck, Dimple, Koko, Sammy, and Agrippina

Masters 14
7 Potences
1 Fragment of the Book of Nod
1 Dreams of the Sphinx
1 Powerbase Montreal
1 Mob Connections
1 Trophy: Hunting Ground
1 The Rack
1 The Secret Library of Alexandria

Actions 12
4 Bloot Hunts
2 Red Lists
3 Big Games
3 The Third Tradition: Progeny

Political Actions 12
2 Trumped-Up Charges
1 Year of Fortune
3 Consanguineous Boon
4 Anathemas
2 Nosferatu Justicars

Action Modifiers 6
4 Hidden Lurkers
2 Swallowed by the Night

Combat 37
22 Thrown Gates
3 Mighty Grapples
10 Increased Strength
2 Skin of Steel

Reaction 8
2 WWEF
6 Second Tradition: Domain

Allies 1
Arcanum Investigator

 

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I am entertaining the idea of dropping the two Swallowed by the Nights
that remain in the deck (kinda funny to look back and see there were
six at one time) in favor of another Skin of Steel or Hidden Lurker and
a The Labrinth.