I do understand the disappointment in Vista to begin with, yes it had terrible issues with file compression, generally moving data around and it was a disk-thrashing hog thanks to Defender and Indexing.

However, most of this was either fixed by SP1 or manually by ourselves. Didn't we tweak XP also? Wasn't that also a memory hog to begin with?

I love the look and feel of Vista, so I don't see why Microsoft should move away from it. People simply enjoy jumping on the Vista bandwagon without giving it a chance :[

I see nothing sacred about Windows XP.
Windows 2000 Pro is XP without the activation.
I did hear from my brother who used to work at Microsoft,was in the inner circle with Bill in the past and has his own corporation now that over 300 companies are in on the development of the next version of Windows.

Well I for one was forced to use it at work, on my development machine (Vista), and my experience even after SP1 wasn't very positive. I will admit that SP1 improved most of the annoyances, but I still feel that XP is far more effective for both my job and my personal stuff. $0.02

I honestly don't care if they release the next 20 versions of Windows based off Vista, as long as they don't force me off XP.

I dont know, i hate Vista.. I just tried out that new Windows Mojave though and its pretty bad ass..

Honestly, who cares if it doesn't FEEL any different from Vista. As long as it's not a resource whore, and doesn't come with all the bloat, i'll switch form XP. So far, it seems theyre going in the right direction. The "ever-useful" calendar, movie maker and photo gallery? I dont think so. Anyone worth their salt with with an inclination to edit photos, make movies, or organize their day can find a whole slew of WAY better and comprehensive third-party programs for these tasks. As far as im concerned Vista is Windows 7 Beta, just like ME was XP Beta, and 95 was 98 Beta. Thats been the pattern: Every other release has been buggy and served to pave the way for much more popular successor. Cant wait for Win 7.

We want XP because its cheap, and it works. Theres a reason why you need 4GB+ to run Vista well.

LOL, made me laugh.
On the topic, I still remember when I first installed xp on a 400 MHz celeron with 128 Megs of RAM, we were all "resource hog this, 98 SE is better that"

I guess history do tends to repeat itself.

me too.

I think its insane that they would be pushing a new OS when they have put so much into vista...

I really think there is something not legal about the apple commercials either, isn't that libel/slander ? especially when so many people who know nothing about computers and have never used vista hate vista.

Thats really how it is. You have people telling other people about all these ''problems'' with vista and then those people in turn are telling other people even though they don't even know what they're talking about.

and here we are now with lame apple commercials saying they have cures to vista ailments... lol, the only one i found slightly funny was one of the first with the different versions of vista. but again, marketing to the average computer user they will not be buying vista business or enterprise.

Just the thought of Justin Long and those ridiculous lying Mac commercials infuriates me beyond belief! I personally love vista (after sp1, driver updates and tweaking). It took me longer to switch to XP than it did for me to move to vista tbh.

Best,

3Ball

I personally love the built-in calendar in Vista. It's is very useful, especially since I use Outlook at work and it's basically a less bloated version of Outlook's calendar.

I loved the Photo gallery to organize my photos. For simple fixes it was great and I did not have to pay extra for a 3rd party program to do anything so basic. THe other items I don't care about. Hopefully they do keep it available as a download through the live site.

The illegal thing Apple does with their anti PC commercials is false advertising. They show things that Apple has and makes the viewer believe windows do not have that (ex: you can not recover anything you delete on a Mac... reality, PC has been able to do this since DOS).

I can't watch those commercials because I get mad... I mean really mad at them. I often find myself looking for something to throw at my TV when I see them.





Mac killed my inner child.

spaztic7, you certainly deserve your nick you spastic idiot. Anyone with half a brain can type in "mac undelete" into Google and see how blatantly you are lying. BTW, where do you think the whole "trash bin" concept came from? APPLE!

I made the leap early from XP straight to Vista 64 (RC1.) While I had a few issues with things like slow network file copy (pre-SP1) overall it's been very uneventful.

I'll admit that it gets a little silly trying to guess where access to certain features has moved, this isn't new for Microsoft. They must get bored of having things like "Add/Remove Programs" keep the same name in their control panels list for more than a release or two.

I also upgraded my 3-year-old motherboard from 2gb to 8gb. Memory was inexpensive as was my upgrade from a 120gb drive to a 500gb drive. I try to remind myself that a computer is NOT like a toaster that you never upgrade... people expect more and more from their system and they expect automation, price cuts, ease-of-use... The fact that I can build a nice system when vista comes out for about $600 when it cost significantly more to build a nice system when XP came out shows me that the hardware evolution is something I would have a hard time fighting.

NNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! They kept the Office 2007 shotcuts/menus. NNNNNOOOOOOO!

It looks totally like Vista! Let's hope it's a repeat of Win95->Win98 or Win98->Win98SE where they look almost the same but got significantly better. Opposed to Win98SE->WinME!

This is nothing more than Service Pack 2 for Vista. It is what Vista should have been not a new OS. Fortunately I get all my OS's from M$ for free from them.

Windows Mistake Edition is not anything close to XP. The Mistake Edition is the last DOS/Win16 OS, and it was so bad that people rather pay a bit more to get Windows 2000. Microsoft started two OS lineage when they introduced Windows NT as 32bit OS for servers and workstations, and Windows 95 as desktop/laptop OS that aimed at past compatibility with DOS/Win16 applications. The lineage goes like this:

DOS/Win3.1->Win95->Win98->OSR2->ME->End of DOS/Win16

WinNT->NT3.5->NT4->2000->XP

Microsoft did it again when new technology was introduced, and the result is Windows Server 2003. Vista 64is built upon WS2003 kernel, and I don't know why they introduced 32bit Vista.

I was under the impression that Windows 7 was going to be a bit more of a thorough overhaul of the base code than just a Service Pack 2 for Vista. It's beginning to look like more of the same...
Not that Macs are guilty of the same thing. Anyone can see how Leopard is CLEARLY better than Tiger. Oh, wait. - a Mac User

Magnetik,

Mac users should be embarrassed about the negative advertising. The ads target people who are ignorant about computers. Most people with half a brain ( as you put it) will be turned off by such slanderous comments. Advertising should be about how great a product is, not how potentially bad the competition is. Wait a second..... Microsoft has 90+ percentage of the market. That being said.... I welcome the day when Mac increases their market share as it would provide the consumers with healthy competition. It seems like Apple is taking a page out of US politics, hoping that there are more ignorant people than informed people. As more ignorant people buy into such idiotic advertising, Apple is simply reducing the collective IQ of the average Mac user.

Before you start name calling. I have logged as many hours on a Mac as I have a PC. There are advantages to both OS’s.

I prefer vista over the Mac OS however I have not tried leopard yet.

Apple should try to show a little integrity and a little class. Maybe then they could increase their market share on merit rather than relying on the ignorance of potential buyers.

If I was a new computer customer with no experience with either system, I would find the advertising by Apple more than a little desperate.

The main reason that I have a PC at home is that I play games and I prefer to build a ferari rather than buy a Fiero that just looks fast.

You can't overclock a Mac.

My current system is.
Antec P190 case with dual PSU 550w +650w
E8400 core 2 duo over clock to 4.1
4 gigs of DDR3 PC10666 ram
4.2 TB of hard drives (media center!!!)
Asus P5E3 Deluxe
2x HD 3870 in crossfire (overclocked a little)
Operating temp is 47C @idle and 55C under load.

Looking forward to Windows 7

Wrong. Apple Corp. copied everything developed by *nix in early 80s and patent as if they invented it. The first "trash bin" was "alias rm='mv --target-directory ~/.Trash'". People did that because there was no undelete in early *nix systems. You rm it, and it's gone forever. I know many Ph.D. students have that sort of grudge against none aliased shell environment. PC-DOS has a crude file system to mark deleted files with character '*'. In some way, people still use "recycle bin," and PC-DOS method evolved into journal type file system so that it can restore into previous date. Me, I just press shift whenever I want to delete something.

and vista does not work why? you must have some bad ram or a crappy CPU cause my vista system is flying with 2GB

Nice! Hurry up 7, i like my XP. Vista? No thanks, because I need some old programs to be compatible

The last thing Microsoft should do is to hurry things up. Every time when they rushed things into retail, they failed, and they have a track record for that kind of failure since Bob.

Sounds like they're at least taking a step in the right direction by not default-installing things most people will never use.

Now all they need is a built-in disk imaging tool so you can save your good configuration for when you have to re-install

That’s a nice first post...



And by the way, who said anything about un deleting anything. I was referring to recovering anything once deleted. Not in the trash can. In older versions of Mac OS (Unix versions, before the Linux version called OSX), Unix would immediately overwrite anything you just deleted. It would convert the blocks into empty space ("1"'s or "0"s depending who the manufacturer was) instead of just removing the pointer (which Microsoft did from the beginning). Maybe your fanboyism got in the way, and you are clouding the issue with the hopes and dreams of Stevie Jobs for people not to remember how Mac OS # was before OSX.


Oh, why is it only on Apples 10.5 try at an OS are they finally getting somewhere when Microsoft is only on their 6th version and is still ahead of them (windows being ahead of OSX is my opinion, as I use both and prefer Vista over OSX. Functionality is more important to me than shinny, flashy effects)?

Here ya go!

It's like Microsoft is trying to push people into linux or OSX. One day, they'll publish/release real games for OSX and linux and it'll be game over for Windows. At least for my PC's at home. Once Samba takes a few steps forward it'll happen in the business sector also.

that's my 1 cent.

I see bounty is a mac fanboi.

Not going to happen. Microsoft is probably having some talks with SONY to exchange license of Blu-ray to DX11. They now not just big in gaming industry. They are the gaming industry. They are the standard of this industry.

You probably don't know what Microsoft can offer on enterprise and business level. That's why US military, all four branches, use Microsoft products. Linux has its use in engineering, programming, testing, scientific community and hardware control, while Macs appeal to people more into popularity contest.

I eagerly await 7 but; I would like to see MSoft drop the 32-bit OS versions and force software devs and hardware manufactures to fully support and develop 64-bit. A lot of us have had 64-bit capable machines since '03 and it is time to leave 32-bit behind us. If we are going to deal with computability problems like in Vista, we might as well take the next step forward with 64-bit. I wanna see what can be done with 8GB+ of RAM

I personally like the feel of Vista, and the 64 bit one with the right system is very responsive and does not seem to hog anything. It is even better then XP with many things.