very sad one for id Software and Activision.....

Sucks for ID...they need to keep a tighter leash on their people..security leaks like this can easily cost millions.

Ummm... why would they care this much about the leak? Isn't this free publicity and advertising?

This isn't gonna cost them anything. If anything it'll make people to go want and buy the game if it's any good. And to play online isn't a simple thing so those that do will probably know and understand what a beta is.

Once this game goes online they'll have servers that do key checks and things like that. And if you havn't realized this yet you can't get past those. Well you can but only by playing on pirated servers which has even more hackers then normal.

Since the game is unfinished, if people play it and don't like things (that may very well be changed in final version) it's bad publicity. Unfinished products usually aren't that great.

Agreed. +1 ^

From what I've heard on the community forums, they've made the game into a CoD clone? That's a real shame...

I think they would probably care about the leak if the game, especially the multiplayer, isn't any good. If you look in their community forums that seems to be the overall sentiment. It's a real shame considering how fun the multiplayer for RTCW and ET were.

From what I've heard on the community forums, they've made the game into a CoD clone? That's a real shame...

I think they would probably care about the leak if the game, especially the multiplayer, isn't any good. If you look in their community forums that seems to be the overall sentiment. It's a real shame considering how fun the multiplayer for RTCW and ET were.

Proves Dekasav's point, now you already have a mindset before you even see a review of the actual finished product. Other people may already consider not buying it, even if the final intended product actually turns out to be great.

an unfinished product 12 days before release? ...

This may cause a stir as people have a chance to look at the part of the game which keeps people coming back (I play online almost daily but wont play through a single player more than once a year for a really good game).

The question is do they simply ignore any response and release a game with all the fixes they were originally going to put in but no response to any gameplay problems (Vista approach) or take what the file sharers say, release a public multiplayer beta with gameplay fixes and then blog about all the tiny little changes that people will like until release (Win7 approach).

Did you ever see Return to Castle Wolfenstein? They released a multiplayer demo before the actual game, convinced me I didn't need to pay for the full thing. Hopefully, however, this new game will be better.

I agree to a certain extent though how much is going to change in a few weeks? In a leaked beta this late in the game I couldn't imagine any big changes. Could be an older beta version though.

The only reason I chimed in on this is because I've been a huge fan of the last 2 iterations in this series. I've seen comments in their forums from people I used to play with back in the day and I tend to trust their judgment more than some random poster.

remember when an unfinished wolverine movie got leaked. FOX freaked out, took legal action, and warned people that it was an unfinished movie so it might be bad. well even after release it was absolutely horrible.iD might be worried about the reception.

Just thinking out loud...

I love the Return to Castle Wolfenstein (RTCW) multi demo from years past when we stormed the beach while another team defended the documents in the basement. Many fun hours reviving people as a medic.

"Medic! I need a medic!"
"Rauf Move!!"

Hope this is as good.

it's being released in three weeks supposedly, how unfinished can it be?

Good times.

yeah exactly, what if by the time they actually catch my ass i bought the real thing lol. up thiers. . . .

Hey ID come get me, this wont be the first wolfenstien i downloaded before it came out, or ID game for that matter, i do have a retail copy of one still lying around somewhere lol.

and btw that wolverine movie still made millions at the box office. . . probably a few more million due to the news and everyone that made such a fuss about it being pirated so, . . .

any publicity is good publicity duh!

Hence most of the time this happens, its because of an unhappy employee or an employee that could make money by doing that....

i wonder how many games have not been leaked before they hit retail shelves, . . .

Even though it may only be a couple weeks away from release, the MP build that was leaked could be much, much older. I think it can make things even worse actually if it's old and extra buggy, etc., because people will just assume it's a recent build and think that it's not nearly ready for release and so not buy.

It's only 12 days early. Big deal. Plus it isn't even the whole game. They could just consider it as a demo.

i'll buy it either way. Doom 3 was awesome on the ATI 3870...this will be even better on the DX11/opengl cards.

I don't know if you guys can remember but around the time of DOOM 3 there was a alpha leak of the game. It had only one level but frankly it looked even better then the final game. + there was that awesome cut scene where the zombie commando dude with the chainsaw would walk up slowly and say "I smelll fear" uuuhh goosebumps back then

if it were anyone but id, I wouldn't care, but c'mon, this is John Carmack. Support the guy that made all this happen (3d games, I dare anyone to argue this point)!

Carmack deserves better. If it were Romero, then we just made him our bitch.

Just because someone does one big mistake doesn't erase all what he did right in the past. Creatively speaking, Romero is way more proefficiant than Carmack. Carmack is just some boring technical guy who is only good at programming. No wonder why ID games since Romero departure are great technical works, but kind of boring and straightforward.

If the game is any good, people will buy it. If they are in a phase where testing it among people in the public even in Beta form are going to play it, the game is likely good enough to stand before people who might play it legally or not and like it. I dont see this as bad, but a bit unplanned maybe. Should people leak the build, of course not, but it isnt the end of the world either. If not some free publicity. Just finish the game and get it out to us so we can try a demo and possibly buy the game already.

And let's not forget that even if Romero isn't the guy directly behind the Deus Ex masterpiece, he still is the guy who recruited people behind this game into Eidos.

man, doom 3 was cool.
but the lack of multiplayer really made me disapointed, and thier has been something about the "look" of quake 4, and doom3 that looked too plasticky and cartoonish to be nearly as scarey as half life 2 even, or fear, fear 2, silent hill even, or resident evil 2, i applaud the creative artwork, and programming skill of ID and carmack, they have been my idols for over a generation.

but i think they need a new direction with thier overall game design philosophy with the quake and doom titles, i remember playing the original doom when i was what, like 9 or something and being blown away, games and pc's still blow me away, but quake 4 and doom 3 didnt, they were good games at that. not great, just good.
the last wolfenstien was a great game, i hope this one is also.

i must say i played doom 3 pirated and still bought it afterwards even though i didnt want too, i really didnt feel it was worth the money, and i never ever got around to even playing the expansion. the thought of going back and installing it has crossed my mind a few times, but i never actually followed through. . .

i hope the best days of ID and carmack are not behind them, although its looking more like they are, than are not.

my fingers are crossed for this game and future releases from ID and carmack,

over the years ive tried to listen and read as many things i could get my hands on when he talks about his vision of gaming 5 to ten years from now, and i think overall he is still a genious, its just that game making has become a more intricate art than it once was. i think that is part of the reason ID may be flipping out so much this time around, since several of thier last releases werent as big as i thought they would be, and im sure them either.

the quake and doom series really needs a breath of fresh air, i personally have alot of ideas that i think could make the next quake and doom truly amazing, while still retaining all of its heritage and really redeem themselves as a must buy titles.

ever since unreal the fps title has been lost, ut3 is also amazing, and even that game can be greatly improved.

common guys youve been getting my money for years haha, smoke some better weed or something, expan your mind with this stuff!, . . .

carmack email me! z24style83@hotmail.com lets just hang out and ill chat your ear off, we'll have a few pops. and in a few years ill be playing the best video game to date, youll be super wealthy, your legacy will be cemented in video history ten fold,
and yeah. . . . the world will be a much better place.

i hope wolfenstien is good, ive been playing ut3 to the bone and could use something new.

"fans should be wary of downloading potentially damaging viruses and malware in the process."

I call BS.
I have gotten more intrusive software from legitimate sources. Torrents have proven safe for me, even after downloading 600GB+ of content to date...
Hell, download something legitimate and it automatically installs Ask.com's insane spyware. That shit be illegal in many ways...
I'll stick to my Torrents, they have proven safer thus far...

Except for Win7.