China Finds Zen: Begins Production Of x86 Processors Based On AMD's IP

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  • This is becoming dangerously interesting.
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  • bit_user
    21119747 said:
    In fact, the Obama administration blocked Intel from selling Xeon processors to China in 2015 over concerns the chips were fueling the country's nuclear programs
    No, I don't think that was the reason. I poked around, a couple years ago, and signs seemed to point towards hacking as the activity triggering the sanctions. I believe the reason (and even the sanction) was never publicly disclosed.

    If you have a good source on this, please cite it.
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  • Paul Alcorn
    21119953 said:
    21119747 said:
    In fact, the Obama administration blocked Intel from selling Xeon processors to China in 2015 over concerns the chips were fueling the country's nuclear programs
    No, I don't think that was the reason. I poked around, a couple years ago, and signs seemed to point towards hacking as the activity triggering the sanctions. I believe the reason (and even the sanction) was never publicly disclosed.

    If you have a good source on this, please cite it.

    https://www.pcworld.com/article/2908692/us-blocks-intel-from-selling-xeon-chips-to-chinese-supercomputer-projects.html

    https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-32247532

    https://bis.doc.gov/index.php/forms-documents/regulations-docs/federal-register-notices/federal-register-2015/1196-80-fr-8524/file

    Source link added to the article.

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  • SkyBill40
    This is... interesting. Many US companies who have done business with the Chinese have come to find their IPs deliberately stolen and their tech replicated by Chinese companies without compensation while having next to no legal recourse. That's not to say that'll happen here, but I wouldn't say it goes without chance.
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  • akamateau
    What China really needed was an x86 chip without an NSA backdoor in it. Whether or not cpu's actually have a backdoor is not the issue. China wanted to make sure and the ONLY way was for them to "roll their own".

    But I wonder if Spectre can exploit it? Likely Meltdown does not.
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  • akamateau
    21119978 said:
    21119953 said:
    21119747 said:
    In fact, the Obama administration blocked Intel from selling Xeon processors to China in 2015 over concerns the chips were fueling the country's nuclear programs
    No, I don't think that was the reason. I poked around, a couple years ago, and signs seemed to point towards hacking as the activity triggering the sanctions. I believe the reason (and even the sanction) was never publicly disclosed.

    If you have a good source on this, please cite it.

    https://www.pcworld.com/article/2908692/us-blocks-intel-from-selling-xeon-chips-to-chinese-supercomputer-projects.html

    https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-32247532

    https://bis.doc.gov/index.php/forms-documents/regulations-docs/federal-register-notices/federal-register-2015/1196-80-fr-8524/file

    Source link added to the article.

    Blocking Intel was pointless. The top two Supercomputers are Chinese and they use Chinese designed silicon.

    From Wiki: "The Sunway TaihuLight uses a total of 40,960 Chinese-designed SW26010 manycore 64-bit RISC processors based on the Sunway architecture. Each processor chip contains 256 processing cores, and an additional four auxiliary cores for system management (also RISC cores, just more fully featured) for a total of 10,649,600 CPU cores across the entire system."

    What IS interesting is China will be paying royalties!! Now that is a first: China actually paying for intellectual property rather than just stealing it.
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  • WINTERLORD
    sounds like amd sold out the us to china for money to not steadily decline overtime. china has been trying to get into thesemiconducter industry for years
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  • WINTERLORD
    they prolly took the info first worked on it then told amd look we know what you got you help us and it helps you or we get it for free in the end anyways. lol they might not have the tools just the designs wich you obviosly cant have someone elses designs printed
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  • Paul Alcorn
    21120112 said:
    21119978 said:
    21119953 said:
    21119747 said:
    In fact, the Obama administration blocked Intel from selling Xeon processors to China in 2015 over concerns the chips were fueling the country's nuclear programs
    No, I don't think that was the reason. I poked around, a couple years ago, and signs seemed to point towards hacking as the activity triggering the sanctions. I believe the reason (and even the sanction) was never publicly disclosed.

    If you have a good source on this, please cite it.

    https://www.pcworld.com/article/2908692/us-blocks-intel-from-selling-xeon-chips-to-chinese-supercomputer-projects.html

    https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-32247532

    https://bis.doc.gov/index.php/forms-documents/regulations-docs/federal-register-notices/federal-register-2015/1196-80-fr-8524/file

    Source link added to the article.

    Blocking Intel was pointless. The top two Supercomputers are Chinese and they use Chinese designed silicon.

    From Wiki: "The Sunway TaihuLight uses a total of 40,960 Chinese-designed SW26010 manycore 64-bit RISC processors based on the Sunway architecture. Each processor chip contains 256 processing cores, and an additional four auxiliary cores for system management (also RISC cores, just more fully featured) for a total of 10,649,600 CPU cores across the entire system."

    What IS interesting is China will be paying royalties!! Now that is a first: China actually paying for intellectual property rather than just stealing it.

    Good point. That one might've backfired a bit.
    Many point to the US attempts at blocking China as the reason the country plowed ahead so quickly with its own chips for TaihuLight. Backed them into a corner, they came out fighting.
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  • SkyBill40
    21120112 said:
    Blocking Intel was pointless. The top two Supercomputers are Chinese and they use Chinese designed silicon.

    From Wiki: "The Sunway TaihuLight uses a total of 40,960 Chinese-designed SW26010 manycore 64-bit RISC processors based on the Sunway architecture. Each processor chip contains 256 processing cores, and an additional four auxiliary cores for system management (also RISC cores, just more fully featured) for a total of 10,649,600 CPU cores across the entire system."

    What IS interesting is China will be paying royalties!! Now that is a first: China actually paying for intellectual property rather than just stealing it.

    That's a bit out of date seeing the US has reclaimed the top spot:

    https://www.zdnet.com/article/us-once-again-boasts-the-worlds-fastest-supercomputer/

    The part about paying royalties is interesting and somewhat comical. Well played.


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