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John Carmack Talks Doom on 20th Anniversary

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Happy birthday Doom.

Yes, you read that heading right: Doom made its first appearance 20 years ago. The file was uploaded to an FTP server site located on the University of Washington network by an id Software executive. The file name was doom1_0.zip, and it weighed a mere 2 MB transfer. Yet back then that was a huge file, and took seemingly forever to download using a dial-up modem. The zip file multiplied as gamers downloaded and uploaded it to other FTP sites, and eventually made its way across the globe.

In an interview with Wired, John Carmack looks back on Doom, talks about game development in general, the old shareware model, his role in the gameplay design of Doom and more. He is also seemingly regretful that id Software fell into the "when it's done, it's done" mentality.

"The worst aspect of the continuing pace of game development that we fell into was the longer and longer times between releases," Carmack told Wired. "If I could go back in time and change one thing along the trajectory of id Software, it would be, do more things more often. And that was id's mantra for so long: 'It'll be done when it's done.' And I recant from that. I no longer think that is the appropriate way to build games. I mean, time matters, and as years go by—if it's done when it's done and you're talking a month or two, fine. But if it's a year or two, you need to be making a different game."

As for Doom 4, he really couldn't provide any information, but admitted that designing the fourth installment is a challenge. "It's been hard," he admitted. "One of the things that was a little bit surprising that you might not think so from the outside, but deciding exactly what the essence of Doom is, with this 20-year history, is a heck of a lot harder than you might think. You get multiple Doom fans that have different views of what the core essence of it is, and there's been a design challenge through all of it."

On the gameplay front, Carmack said that he was responsible on how weapons work, how world interactive items work, how the AI works and so on. However, the personality of the game – how much damage things do, tuning it, changing speed – mostly came from John Romero. Carmack then goes on to admit that he is perfectly happy about the game's demonic theme.

"I pushed certainly for the demonic aspect of it," Carmack said. "That's still something that I feel good about, looking back. In later games and later times, when games get attacked with some of the moral ambiguity or actual negativity about what you're doing, I always felt good about the decision that in Doom, you're fighting demons. There's no gray area here, it is black and white, you're the good guys, they're the bad guys and everything that you're doing to them is fully deserved."

To read the full interview, head here.

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    d_kuhn , December 14, 2013 7:07 AM
    The problem with "When it's done it's done" is that the pace of tech development means any code you developed 6 months ago is prime, 12 months ago is mainstream, 18 months ago is outdated. If you've got a 5 year dev cycle I'd argue that you're guaranteed to fail - your game will look like something for the last gen console.
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    NightLight , December 14, 2013 7:23 AM
    for me, doom was a 14" crt monitor, a 486dx2 (you actually saw the blue disk flickering) no alpha blending so you could hardly see anything in a dark corridor, and you actually feared running into the cyberdeamon. Doom 3 tried to recapture that dark theme, but the graphics were horrible. People looked like lumps. But doom was more, it was also a puzzle game, looking for the keys. I think that is an element everybody underestimates. It gave it a purpose, instead of just running around and killing people. But that's just how i experienced it.
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    d_kuhn , December 14, 2013 8:03 AM
    Doom really came into it's own when you got a pile of drunk buddies together to frag each other all weekend. When we first started 10baseT was not yet affordable so we all had Token bus adapters... we'd spend from 7pm until 3am on Friday just getting the stupid network running (if any one leg of the ring wasn't right or the terminators weren't right... no network). Once it was running though... Doom was pure magic. We modded the game for more fun (rocket launcher shooting a couple shells a second) and the games would be simple "If it moves... kill it"... which back then was still novel enough to be fun. Good times.
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    NightLight , December 14, 2013 8:26 AM
    I forgot about the drunkness and setting up lan :D 
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    ddpruitt , December 14, 2013 8:37 AM
    Originally played it on a 25 Mhz AMD 386 and a 640 x 320 display, still play it on something a bit heftier. I can still kill ungodly amounts of time in the original Doom. And forget it when you get some friends together.

    The good old days when games were made by gamers instead of bean counters and pointy haired bosses. I prefer Carmack's approach of "it's done when it's done" against EA's, Activision's, etc "we're releasing every year whether or not it's ready".

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    mere 2 MB transfer. Yet back then that was a huge file, and took seemingly forever to download using a dial-up modem.


    2 hours on a 15k modem, versus 6-10 hours for a large size game on Steam. I think we may have stepped backwards somewhere.
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    d_kuhn , December 14, 2013 8:43 AM
    I've been gaming for a lot of years now and if I had to pick one single game as the most influential (arguable the 'Best', though it's tough to compare cross-genre) of all time... it would be Doom. Wolfenstein was a fun tease for what was coming... Doom was a revolution... it was a BFG upside the head... it was a 'take my money I need a faster computer' driver of PC development for years to come. The combo of first person immersion and multiplayer... it's hard to overstate how HUGE that was.
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    jhansonxi , December 14, 2013 9:16 AM
    Doom was the second multiplayer game I ever played (the first FPS). The first was a battleship game for windows (bb2) that was designed for stealth on corporate networks. Doom's releases significantly reduced the productivity of many companies.
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    10tacle , December 14, 2013 10:17 AM
    For me, Carmack, is the grandfather of FPS shooters. I didn't get into PC gaming until the mid-late 90s being a console gamer, and Quake was my first PC game with Quake II being the second.

    It was a whole new world coming from gaming on an N64 on a 640x480 27" tube TV to a 17" 1280x1024 CRT monitor and gaming with a keyboard & mouse. I still remember being in awe of the pixels and details never seen before in a game. It was instant love and I never looked back, including countless all nighters just in awe of the graphics. In fact, these two games motivated me to learn how to build my own rigs and overclock instead of spending $1K plus on the latest Dell or Gateway PC. Some 16 years later, I never looked back. Still console game with a PS3 and now PS4, but nothing replaces PC gaming. Ever. Carmack owns that badge.
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    Vorador2 , December 14, 2013 12:48 PM
    Doom was a revolution in gaming. It introduced FPS to the mainstream market, and invented competitive multiplayer and co-op over internet. Later Quake would refine the formula.

    Tim Sweeney, one of the founders of Epic Games and main developer of Unreal Engine, said on a Anandtech interview that he gave up programming for a year because of Doom. He considered it witchcraft.
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    knowom , December 14, 2013 2:29 PM
    Doom wasn't anything all that special Midi Maze had up to 16 player FPS back in 1987 done over MIDI on a Atari ST running a meager Motorola 68000 CPU the same CPU used in a Sega Genesis.
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    Blessedman , December 14, 2013 2:30 PM
    I always wanted a cross between Myst and Doom. Full on puzzle where you lock your self in a room and try and figure it out while monsters are beating down the door. True survival horror which is what made the original Resident Evil so fantastic.
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    rwinches , December 14, 2013 3:40 PM
    The best thing about Doom was the user written levels, thousands of them. All the toolkits so you could make modifications and levels. The command line options and the ability to add your own music. Some of the great themed ones like Star Wars or Teri Garr. D!Zone level collections. The Doom Gun later re-named Demon Gun I still have mine not great but fun to own. The SpaceOrb 360 controller. And secret levels.
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    SessouXFX , December 14, 2013 4:25 PM
    I was barely out of highschool! Memories...
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    boju , December 14, 2013 6:01 PM
    Loved all Doom, still play it modified today (am sure many still do) with opengl, jumping/mouse aim support.

    Loved the aspect of puzzles, mazes and secret rooms and most of all the secret room returning to Wolfenstein3D where the demons invaded them as well - not to mention finding what really happened to poor Commander Keen >;D

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    tolham , December 14, 2013 6:04 PM
    "I mean, time matters, and as years go by—if it's done when it's done and you're talking a month or two, fine. But if it's a year or two, you need to be making a different game."

    Gabe, listen up.
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    tinmann , December 14, 2013 7:19 PM
    Doom is the game that got me into PC gaming and I've never looked back. I'd probably really suck at console gaming now having all but abandoned consoles. I've been playing the Doom Brutal Mod that came out recently. It adds new weapons and game play, it's like falling in love all over again.
    http://www.moddb.com/mods/brutal-doom
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    hoofhearted , December 15, 2013 12:37 AM
    Yeah, but nowadays that devs are rushing to get it out, you are ending up with Freemium, Microtrans, DLC, and weak or no story that is soley meant to drive the money making things.

    Honestly, I'd be willing to play last gen graphics with a captivating continuous story than some of the blinged up, story-made-such-that-can-make-more-DLC crap that gets shovelled out nowadays.


    I remember always jumping off the balcony in level three and nuking my drunk buddies with the BFG :) 
    I was always the one to setup the ethernet coax cables (dont forget to terminate them) and ipx network.
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    joditas , December 15, 2013 1:00 AM
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    The problem with "When it's done it's done" is that the pace of tech development means any code you developed 6 months ago is prime, 12 months ago is mainstream, 18 months ago is outdated. If you've got a 5 year dev cycle I'd argue that you're guaranteed to fail - your game will look like something for the last gen console.


    On the other hand, many games today are simply rushed. We see what happen with Battlefield 4. Publishers wanted to rush products to meet an artificial deadline, to roll out basically a beta software. On PC side, it is a nice excuse to release an unfinished product, now even console versions are also like their PC counterpart, though I don't play on consoles, but I found this one amusing, what excuse do they have this time. Creative process also takes time, many sequels can't compare to their first iteration because of this.
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    spentshells , December 15, 2013 4:14 AM
    Doom, has the potential to be the greatest game ever, the play mechanics need some updating but otherwise it should be quite simple to do, it's been proven we like space marines, guns, demons and aliens along with creepy music. I really still miss that old doom music. Remix it for doom 4 please.
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    egotrippin81 , December 15, 2013 11:34 AM
    I remember doom was the PC game to have.The sound and dark feel alone was amazing. Unfortunately that time I didn't have enough ram to run it. I was stuck playing Wildenstein 3d and Blake stone lol
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