Sony Crushes Cross-Play Dreams For 'Fortnite'
Saying that Fortnite Battle Royale is a gaming phenomenon would be an understatement. Epic Games announced during E3 2018 that more than 125 million people are playing the game. And less than 24 hours after it was released for the Nintendo Switch, another 2 million people downloaded it. Yet many of those players soon faced a sad realization: Not only was there no cross-play with PlayStation 4 owners, but if they had used their Epic account for any game on Sony's console, there was no way for them to sign into it on the Switch. Xbox One players have the same problem.
Not being able to play with PS4 owners is a bit of a bummer. Fortnite offers cross-play between the Switch and Xbox One, yet Sony has prevented the PS4 from joining the game's console ecosystem, which means console players might not be able to play with all their friends. But this doesn't come as much of a surprise: Other games that bridge the gap between consoles, like Paladins, Minecraft, etc., also support Nintendo and Microsoft's consoles but not Sony's. Even if games do support cross-play, like Rocket League, the PS4 is kept apart from the Switch and Xbox.
At this point it seems like Sony is content to offer cross-platform support between PS4 and PC, but not to let its customers fraternize with its console competitors. There could be any number of reasons why: Sony could be worried that PS4 owners will jump ship if they can play with their friends on other consoles. The company could have decided it doesn't want to build the infrastructure/code required to support cross-console play, or it could simply want to keep as many people in the PlayStation Plus ecosystem as possible. Those monthly subscriptions aren't going to sign up for themselves.
Of course, there are other, more reasonable explanations for not supporting cross-platform play on certain devices. Many games don't bridge the gap between the PC and consoles, for example, because of their different input methods. PC gamers could have an edge over console players because they use a mouse instead of having to use a joystick. Or console gamers' aim assist could overcompensate and put the PC players at a disadvantage. That isn't the case here, though, because you can play Fortnite with people on PS4, PC, iOS, and Android devices.
Whatever the reason, it's clear that Sony wants the PS4 to be an island. That's unfortunate for anyone who wanted to play Fortnite with their friends regardless of what console they own. But it's understandable, or at least not unusual for Sony. The bigger problem comes from the fact that once you visit and log in Sony's island you can't leave. (Insert obligatory-yet-dated "Lost" reference here.) Previously using an Epic account for any of the company's games, like the now-defunct Paragon, will apparently prevent you from signing in to the same account on a different platform.
Here's the message shown in Fortnite for Switch:
"This Fortnite account is associated with a platform which does not allow it to operate on Switch. Neither the Fortnite website nor Epic Customer Service are able to change this. To play Fortnite on Switch, please create a new account."
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That means people who purchased in-game cosmetic items and linked their Epic accounts to their PS4 can't access those items on their Switch or Xbox. You can link your account to every other platform--and Xbox Live director of programming Larry "Major Nelson" Hryb tweeted instructions for how to connect your Xbox Live account to Epic so you can access your items on Switch--but not to the PS4. The same is also true in reverse; a Fortnite account created on or connected to the Switch can't be accessed on the PS4 version of the game. You simply can't access both platforms from the same account.
This leaves us with two major takeaways. The first is that true cross-play remains a dream--and that it only takes one company, like Sony, to exclude its platform from the list of available options to kill that dream. (Unless keeping its console separate from the others becomes a deal-breaker with consumers, in which case even Sony might be persuaded to stop creating artificial boundaries along console lines between players.) Games will remain fragmented. Sure, at least some of the fragments can be put together, but true "play anywhere" capability still doesn't exist.
The other major takeaway is that Sony might have too much power regarding accounts for outside services. Imagine if the company had tried to pull the same with something other than a game. Would you buy a PS4 if watching Netflix on it meant you couldn't watch it on another platform? Or, to leave the realm of game consoles: would you buy an iPhone if it was able to hold your Facebook, Google, or Twitter accounts hostage? Sony's policy is so ludicrously anti-consumer that even long-standing PlayStation fans might be tempted to move to another platform.
It doesn't help that Sony issued a non-response when the BBC asked about backlash surrounding the Fortnite scandal:
”We’re always open to hearing what the PlayStation community is interested in to enhance their gaming experience. Fortnite is already a huge hit with PS4 fans, offering a true free-to-play experience so gamers can jump in and play online. With 79 million PS4s sold around the world and more than 80 million monthly active users on PlayStation Network, we’ve built a huge community of gamers who can play together on Fortnite and all online titles. We also offer Fortnite cross-play support with PC, Mac, iOS, and Android devices, expanding the opportunity for Fortnite fans on PS4 to play with even more gamers on other platforms.”
That's a great response to a question nobody asked. Perhaps the Sony rep who crafted the above statement should consider a second career in politics.
Nathaniel Mott is a freelance news and features writer for Tom's Hardware US, covering breaking news, security, and the silliest aspects of the tech industry.
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gggplaya It's really messed up that once you use an account on their service, that they now have an exclusivity right on that account. It's not their account, I still don't understand why Epic hasn't pushed back on owning the full rights to their account.Reply
I can understand not allowing crossplay, sony can simply forbid connections with xbox and switch, but to own the epic account as well???? -
Zaporro <Mod Edit Language.>Reply
Consoles of all kind are cesspool of anti consumer practices, restricting content and player interaction. Exclusives, hostageware, planned obsolescence, no backwards compatibility.
When people will finally realise that and stop supporting that cancer?
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shpankey This is why I won't support Sony anymore and while the will lose next gen. Happens every time w/ console current gen winners.Reply -
stdragon 21057257 said:Consoles of all kind are cesspool of anti consumer practices, restricting content and player interaction. Exclusives, hostageware, planned obsolescence, no backwards compatibility.
When people will finally realise that and stop supporting that cancer?
Inb4 "i like couch gaming" -> PCs also can hook up to TV and support controllers.
Flamebait much?
Console are "appliances". They're magic boxes - BY DESIGN! Your average casual console gamer doesn't care about the OS, hardware, or upgradability. The only point of the console is to do one thing, and one thing first and foremost, and that's to play games.
When a gamer buys a next gen console, it's to buy into the visual and auditory experience. How it happens doesn't matter. The fact it does, without concern for "compatibility", is an assurance to achieving that experience. No questions asked.
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alextheblue
I disagree. There's a good smattering of baseless conjecture and white knighting for Sony. For example this nugget:21056922 said:Great article, that was a nice read. Thanks Nathaniel.
The company could have decided it doesn't want to build the infrastructure/code required to support cross-console play, or it could simply want to keep as many people in the PlayStation Plus ecosystem as possible. Those monthly subscriptions aren't going to sign up for themselves.
1) They don't have to build jack. The software devs can do it themselves. Epic even "accidentally" released a patch that allowed PS4/XB1 cross-play. Sony flipped shiz and Epic quickly fixed the "bug" to smooth things over. Either Epic did it intentionally to demonstrate how easy it is to do, or it's SO easy to do, they really did it by accident. "Darnit Bob you forgot to comment out AllowCrossPlay on the PS4 build!".
2) You still need a PS+ sub to play online. People aren't going to jump ship if you give them cross-platform play for multiplatform titles. They're actually more likely to consider jumping ship WITHOUT cross-play if they have friends on XB and Switch... if you let them play with their friends they wouldn't even have to think about it.
Of course, there are other, more reasonable explanations for not supporting cross-platform play on certain devices. Many games don't bridge the gap between the PC and consoles, for example, because of their different input methods. PC gamers could have an edge over console players because they use a mouse instead of having to use a joystick. Or console gamers' aim assist could overcompensate and put the PC players at a disadvantage. That isn't the case here, though, because you can play Fortnite with people on PS4, PC, iOS, and Android devices.
You bring up the same old concerns and then you shoot them down yourself. Some games aren't cross-platform friendly with PC. Others are. But we're talking about console<->console cross-play. Why even bring up PC controls? Sony is actually completely OK with PC-PS4 crossplay, so the controls aren't even the issue. More importantly, why not leave it up to the individual developers to decide if PC and/or console cross-platform gameplay is right for <Insert Game Title Here>? They're already doing it for Fortnite between different consoles, at least outside of PS4.
Ditto for Minecraft. Switch, XB1, and PC Windows 10 Edition will soon all be playing together. Let the devs decide, Sony. -
redgarl It is linked to their PSN service and the way they cannot control the other online services. It was the initial response they made in the past concerning the same issue.Reply -
FFH I remember last gen when the xbox 360 didn't work with cross play, and microsoft was blaming it on the PSN server quality. Now Sony has a subscription service for PSN, but doesn't allow cross-play with their games. This is disappointing. I'll stick to PC.Reply -
alextheblue
Their free online service was AWFUL. It's much better now that they have that subscription cashflow, but Sony is steadfastly refusing to cooperate. Even Nintendo is onboard these days!21063448 said:I remember last gen when the xbox 360 didn't work with cross play, and microsoft was blaming it on the PSN server quality. Now Sony has a subscription service for PSN, but doesn't allow cross-play with their games. This is disappointing. I'll stick to PC.