U.S. Treasury Hacking Vulnerability Shows Need For Overhaul Of U.S. Government's Security Model

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  • ocilfa
    US Government: "Sorry, but your suggestion makes too much sense. Our "specialists" will instead update our McAfee, and perhaps upgrade our browsers to Internet Explorer 8. Thank you for your taxes and have a nice day."
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  • jimmysmitty
    16318722 said:
    US Government: "Sorry, but your suggestion makes too much sense. Our "specialists" will instead update our McAfee, and perhaps upgrade our browsers to Internet Explorer 8. Thank you for your taxes and have a nice day."

    Not to stick up for them but most are using IE 10 and Windows 7. My wife works for the Arizona DPS who works with all state, local and federal entities and my best friend is in the Air Force at the Pentagon. They are not that far behind.

    That said, the main issue is that the people in charge are clueless to a basic computer let alone networking and security behind that network. They need to employ people who understand that an IT infrastructure is no longer a luxury but it is a necessity and with that comes the need to actually utilize the best security.

    A company/government cannot survive without a IT infrastructure but the issue is they see it the same way they see everything; if it works don't fix it. The problem is that while a Windows XP system will still work, it is not secure. While 8/8.1 was annoying to learn it is more secure. Server 2012 R2 is more secure.

    Instead of utilizing the proper people they have people who wouldn't know a router from a switch from a firewall even if they had access to the internet to look it up.
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  • house70
    16318722 said:
    US Government: "Sorry, but your suggestion makes too much sense. Our "specialists" will instead update our McAfee, and perhaps upgrade our browsers to Internet Explorer 8. Thank you for your taxes and have a nice day."

    That pretty much sums it up.
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  • house70
    16318937 said:
    16318722 said:
    US Government: "Sorry, but your suggestion makes too much sense. Our "specialists" will instead update our McAfee, and perhaps upgrade our browsers to Internet Explorer 8. Thank you for your taxes and have a nice day."

    Not to stick up for them but most are using IE 10 and Windows 7. My wife works for the Arizona DPS who works with all state, local and federal entities and my best friend is in the Air Force at the Pentagon. They are not that far behind.

    That said, the main issue is that the people in charge are clueless to a basic computer let alone networking and security behind that network. They need to employ people who understand that an IT infrastructure is no longer a luxury but it is a necessity and with that comes the need to actually utilize the best security.

    A company/government cannot survive without a IT infrastructure but the issue is they see it the same way they see everything; if it works don't fix it. The problem is that while a Windows XP system will still work, it is not secure. While 8/8.1 was annoying to learn it is more secure. Server 2012 R2 is more secure.

    Instead of utilizing the proper people they have people who wouldn't know a router from a switch from a firewall even if they had access to the internet to look it up.

    The fact that they stored personal information unencrypted is a testament to their ineptitude and no amount of "sticking up for them" can justify that. Even the hardware/software they use can't justify that. This is "I am the government and nothing can/will happen to me even if I screw things up badly" attitude at it's best. Because, really, who is going to hold them accountable for this? Ordinary citizens? Good luck trying to recoup some of the immense headache caused by such breach to you or me. The govt. will just shrug it off and keep on going.
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  • jimmysmitty
    16319028 said:
    16318937 said:
    16318722 said:
    US Government: "Sorry, but your suggestion makes too much sense. Our "specialists" will instead update our McAfee, and perhaps upgrade our browsers to Internet Explorer 8. Thank you for your taxes and have a nice day."

    Not to stick up for them but most are using IE 10 and Windows 7. My wife works for the Arizona DPS who works with all state, local and federal entities and my best friend is in the Air Force at the Pentagon. They are not that far behind.

    That said, the main issue is that the people in charge are clueless to a basic computer let alone networking and security behind that network. They need to employ people who understand that an IT infrastructure is no longer a luxury but it is a necessity and with that comes the need to actually utilize the best security.

    A company/government cannot survive without a IT infrastructure but the issue is they see it the same way they see everything; if it works don't fix it. The problem is that while a Windows XP system will still work, it is not secure. While 8/8.1 was annoying to learn it is more secure. Server 2012 R2 is more secure.

    Instead of utilizing the proper people they have people who wouldn't know a router from a switch from a firewall even if they had access to the internet to look it up.

    The fact that they stored personal information unencrypted is a testament to their ineptitude and no amount of "sticking up for them" can justify that. Even the hardware/software they use can't justify that. This is "I am the government and nothing can/will happen to me even if I screw things up badly" attitude at it's best. Because, really, who is going to hold them accountable for this? Ordinary citizens? Good luck trying to recoup some of the immense headache caused by such breach to you or me. The govt. will just shrug it off and keep on going.

    You really didn't read my post, did you? I only said that they are not that far behind on OS/software.

    I did however say that the people in charge of these places treat their IT infrastructure as a luxury that only needs to be upgraded if it no longer works instead of treating it like a necessity that needs to be well maintained.

    Of course this should be expected as people rarely read past the first sentence in most cases.
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  • USAFRet
    Interestingly, I am one o' them gummint IT guys.
    The servers do not run XP, much as you'd like to jab at them for outdated software. Server 2008, 2012, or Unix.
    Desktops? The current Standard Desktop Configuration (SDC), or Federal Desktop Core Configuration (FDCC) is Windows 7 and IE10. And there is a loooong list of specific configuration and lockdown items for that.

    Do things happen? Unfortunately, yes. Just like any other large organization that manages hundreds of thousands of devices and people.
    There is no such thing as perfect software, people, or procedures.
    We could go into far more detail, but then I'd have to shoot you.
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  • jimmysmitty
    16319306 said:
    Interestingly, I am one o' them gummint IT guys.
    The servers do not run XP, much as you'd like to jab at them for outdated software. Server 2008, 2012, or Unix.
    Desktops? The current Standard Desktop Configuration (SDC), or Federal Desktop Core Configuration (FDCC) is Windows 7 and IE10. And there is a loooong list of specific configuration and lockdown items for that.

    Do things happen? Unfortunately, yes. Just like any other large organization that manages hundreds of thousands of devices and people.
    There is no such thing as perfect software, people, or procedures.
    We could go into far more detail, but then I'd have to shoot you.

    For most cases it is not the IT department at fault. A lot of times you guys don't have the resources and do the best with what you can, although the IT at my wife's location is pretty much a bunch of morons, while the higher ups just brush off anything you give them as a way to make it more secure.

    Considering that the US government has access to not only our identities they also have access to our SSI and other monies they should be doing a much better job securing it.
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  • USAFRet
    16319395 said:
    16319306 said:
    Interestingly, I am one o' them gummint IT guys.
    The servers do not run XP, much as you'd like to jab at them for outdated software. Server 2008, 2012, or Unix.
    Desktops? The current Standard Desktop Configuration (SDC), or Federal Desktop Core Configuration (FDCC) is Windows 7 and IE10. And there is a loooong list of specific configuration and lockdown items for that.

    Do things happen? Unfortunately, yes. Just like any other large organization that manages hundreds of thousands of devices and people.
    There is no such thing as perfect software, people, or procedures.
    We could go into far more detail, but then I'd have to shoot you.

    For most cases it is not the IT department at fault. A lot of times you guys don't have the resources and do the best with what you can, although the IT at my wife's location is pretty much a bunch of morons, while the higher ups just brush off anything you give them as a way to make it more secure.

    Considering that the US government has access to not only our identities they also have access to our SSI and other monies they should be doing a much better job securing it.

    Yes they should.
    The procedures are there, the hardware is there, the software is there.....people are the problem.
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  • falchard
    Best idea ever. Don't expose confidential information to the Internet. Still what would they hack? A counter that keeps adding dollars to the US treasuries balance sheet.
    while(1)
    TreasuryBalance++;
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  • rantoc
    Having a system unsecured vs the internet is like leaving the door home unlocked - its just stupid! Hearing a gov run facility get hacked who is suppose to have very good security due to its content makes me wonder if they didn't leave the door poorly locked, gambling with the content within and this time that gamble backfired...

    Just hope the responsible (either security responsible or the administration if the security responsible pointed out they needed additional funding and din't get a dime - quite common sadly) gets the torch for allowing the hackers to gain access.

    I hope those poor sobs who have their personal information leaked due to the gamble sue them - Big times!
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