Old-school Creative Sound Blaster cards repaired and demoed

Sound Blaster 16 cards being repaired
(Image credit: Necroware)

Two ancient Creative Sound Blaster cards have been repaired and demonstrated by TechTuber Necroware. The 1994 vintage Creative Sound Blaster 16 (CT2230) fix was a relatively simple affair, with a single broken trace needing attention. However, the Creative Sound Blaster 16 IDE (CT2290) was a much more involved repair, but it still turned out a success after some trial and error. The sound cards were tested and demoed in the DOS Unisound drivers and in games like Descent II and Wolfenstein 3D.

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  • rluker5
    I was going to recommend many of these Creative Sound Blaster cards as the Recon3D, Z and original AE 5 series came with the best native software+hardware support for graphic equalizers of any mainstream pc audio source, but I just checked and the better drivers have been pulled from their website. The nerfed EQ AE 5 driver can still be found under the AE 5 Pure section, the nerfed Z can be found under Z SE, and I'm sure the old drivers can be found online somewhere but this is what the driver page looks like at Creative now: https://support.creative.com/Products/ProductDetails.aspx?catID=1&subCatID=1194&prodID=23095&prodName=Sound%20BlasterX%20AE-5&subCatName=AE-Series&CatName=
    The drivers don't work perfectly in every motherboard (Prime Z690 P has a hard time with AE 5 stability, is better with Z stability, but that board has problems in general with chipset PCIe connectivity) but they work in a much higher %, and notably better than EQ APO in my experience. The majority of EQs out there seem to be effectively nonfunctional where if you adjust a Hz range on the EQ it does not get properly, and in isolation, adjusted in your headphones. Even the better ones tend to be largely incapable of very low and high end adjustment. But for the full range of adjustment on Creative the +-24dB older EQ is outstanding and the +-12dB EQ found in the available newer drivers is not nearly as effective. With the right soundcard and motherboard EQ APO can get close though, but I've had that trashed by Windows updates in the past where SoundBlaster software persisted.

    Which is a shame because these cards can have a transformative effect on tonally challenged headphones by doing little more than adjusting the EQ on what used to be basic installation software. 1970s headphones, cheap headphones, good headphones with a frequency hump or dip, Homemade headphones from small speakers or built from parts ordered online, even 100 year old crystal radio headsets can have their sound drastically improved. And if you want the sound of large floor speakers every headphone is tonally challenged. But many can be EQ'd to replicate that sound with the now conventionally unavailable older Creative driver/software packages. But it isn't like the Recon3D, Z or AE 5 series are audiophile or anything. They all have issues that would be troublesome to purists, they just are good at enhancing headphone performance for people that aren't looking for perfection - if you can find the old software. Which is tough now so these cards lose much of their value. I think I'll get around to throwing my copies on M-Disk now.

    By comparison, a smaller company HT Omega still has their drivers up for their old PCI soundcards. But I have to add in EQ APO to get the sound I like with them.
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  • ravewulf
    I said something similar in a YouTube comment recently, but I wonder if someday we might see Creative or some of the other major hardware companies getting involved with retro hardware, either bringing back old products, making improved versions, or acting as chip suppliers to repair old products. There's clearly a demand to be filled and some of the chips are getting rarer.
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  • duffer9999
    Admin said:
    Two ancient Creative Sound Blaster cards have been repaired, and TechTuber Necroware has demonstrated them.

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  • Elf_Boy
    I used to be a pretty big creative fan, always wanting a creative sound card for my gaming machines. Till the crappy drivers started including lack of support for new versions of windows for even relatively recent Sound Blasters.
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  • Alvar "Miles" Udell
    EAX Effects...
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  • rluker5
    Elf_Boy said:
    I used to be a pretty big creative fan, always wanting a creative sound card for my gaming machines. Till the crappy drivers started including lack of support for new versions of windows for even relatively recent Sound Blasters.
    I've found getting rid of the extras usually solved problems. I just keep the basic control software. Have a Z in my office PC, a Recon3D external in my garage pc, used to have a Recon3D PCIe, but gave it to my brother, and just swapped out the AE-5 in my gaming rig for an HT Omega eClaro that didn't work well (or fit because it is a little thicker than a 1 slot) in my Prime Z690 P motherboard that is now in the office because I switched to an MSI Z790 Gaming Plus(that I got for cheap, but it was better) for my gaming rig.
    Getting rid of the extras generally fixed most issues (except for Prime P connection glitches), but I also stick with the older, now conventionally unavailable drivers for the Z and AE 5 because they sound better. I also use whatever Windows version is the latest.

    The HT Omega eClaro is better sounding in some ways and a bit worse in others and treats different headphones differently, but most different soundcards do. I switched because when I was thinking about the vast difference in driver support (HT Omega supports 11 to XP on all of the stuff I looked at, even PCI cards) and I realized I hadn't tried that card I had in the garage attic in my new motherboard. It is working well so far. Hopefully it is stable through the updates as I do have EQ APO adjustments made.
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  • flashflood101
    I had a SoundBlaster card in my first ever PC.
    It had an amplifier on the card and could power passive HiFi speakers.
    I loved it.
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  • rluker5
    OK I have an unfortunate update on the HT Omega eClaro I put in my pc:
    Over the last few days it has become apparent that there is some incompatibility with it and my MSI Z790 Gaming Plus mobo.

    Likely the drivers from 2016. I get a couple reboots per day. Most often when waking from sleep, but not every time. Sometimes when gaming. Did not have these problems with the Sound Blaster Connect 2 drivers, either before or after the eClaro drivers were installed. I also had similar issues with my Z690 Prime P, but that board was the most issue prone board I have had on chipset PCIe slots.

    I do have an HT Omega Claro PCI running in an Asrock Z97 Fatality without issue with a 5775c, but that is on Windows 10.

    Also most headphones do not sound as good on the eClaro as the AE 5. 4 ohm 1970s headphones are quieter but more manageable and sound similar on the eClaro. DT990 pro and Elear sound a bit better. My planar magnetics Monolith M1060 and HE4xx sound fine but are quieted to the point of not being able to reach a strong volume when EQd. Philips Fidelio H2XR and Sennheiser HD598SE sound significantly worse with the latter having all of it's upper end inexplicably removed. Homemade headphones performance is similar with most performing noticeably worse and there doesn't seem to be a correlation with impedance.

    My Claro PCI is similar in that it plays strong favorites with the same headphones. I didn't do such a thorough comparison with my old Xonar DX soundcard, but it was acting similar with rather erratic headphone performance and preferring the DT 990 Pro. Motherboard audios are generally more consistent across different headphones, but are very limited. I suspect EVGA's soundcards will perform more like HT Omega and Asus than the Creative Sound Core 3D ones that play nice with just about everything. At this point it isn't worth it for me to buy one to check it out.

    So much for my attempted protest of Creative for removing access to a lot of beneficial software. At least I got to play with some old headphones.
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