Nvidia: Expect x86 Processor in 2-3 Years

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3:00 PM - March 4, 2009 by Devin Connors

The rift between Intel and Nvidia is about to get much, much bigger.

For years, many have speculated that Nvidia would eventually release its own x86-based processor. While rumors can come and go, one is hard pressed to ignore Nvidia CPU talk when it's coming from an executive inside the Santa Clara, CA company.

While taking questions at a Morgan Stanley conference in San Francisco yesterday, Nvidia's Michael Hara (Senior VP of investor relations) said an Nvidia-branded x86 CPU is a certainly within the next several years. “The question is not so much I think if; I think the question is when," said Hara. “I think some time down the road it makes sense to take the same level of integration that we’ve done with Tegra."

Nvidia's ARM-based Tegra CPU combines all computing functions (general purpose, video, etc.) onto one piece of silicon, and is expected to make a splash in the smartphone market, and may even find its way into other mobile devices. "Tegra is by any definition a complete computer on a chip, and the requirements of that market are such that you have to be very low power, very small, but highly efficient," said Hara. "So in that particular state it made a lot of sense to take that approach, and someday it’s going to make sense to take the same approach in the x86 market as well.”

While seeing an Nvidia x86 CPU would certainly shake up the marketplace, Hara says it wouldn't necessarily be for high demand machines. Instead, he believes that keeping high performance computing discrete will allow for the best performance. He proposes an Nvidia x86 chip for low power computing, like netbooks and MIDs. Sure, an Nvidia "Extreme Edition" CPU would be killer, but an offering from Nvidia in the mobile computing market would still give Intel and the Atom processor a run for their money.

With Nvidia and Intel already butting heads on discrete graphics, embedded graphics, chipsets and licensing, adding CPU design and manufacturing to the list just fuels what seems like an eternal technology rivalry.

Source : Tom's Hardware US

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roofus 03/04/2009 9:15 PM
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Let me guess..Will it be yet another way to recycle the G92? lol

jsloan 03/04/2009 9:17 PM
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nice... this will squeeze amd/via :-(

A Stoner 03/04/2009 9:20 PM
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Too bad nVidia is small potatoes compared to Intel. Just like AMD is more or less. It gives them a tough job of getting enough research and development money and expertise to actually do the design of highly competitive parts. Intel has, up until this point, stayed out of the powerful graphics market, allowsing nVidia, and AMD's recently acquired GPU maker ATI to have the full lions share of discrete GPU market. With Larabee coming to market soon, nVidia see's Intel entering the high end discrete GPU market and in order to preserve it's market cap, will want to venture into new technology. Intel has pretty much reached market cap limits for chipsets and CPUs and is now moving into new technology for them, GPU's while seeming to back away from NAND FLASH for some reason.

A Stoner 03/04/2009 9:20 PM
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roofus :
Let me guess..Will it be yet another way to recycle the G92? lol


I like that...

Tindytim 03/04/2009 9:28 PM
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roofus :
Let me guess..Will it be yet another way to recycle the G92? lol


This cracked me up so much. I fell out of my chair.

Anonymous 03/04/2009 9:32 PM
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Curnel_D 03/04/2009 9:45 PM
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zahanffxi :
Nforce chipests, GPU Technology, now X86 CPU's....... Yeah I'm on board for the next generation of greatness. Just as intel sells CPU's and boards with there own chipsets I see Nvidia doing the same thing ONLY better. AMD I hate to say is on life support so now is the time for Nvidia to step up and lead. Imagine a full gaming system nvidia CPU, GPU, Nforce Mobo, only thing missing is Nvidia memory. "The Award for most Kick Butt gaming system goes to Nvidia" lol.


AMD has an increadibly strong server market and well performing grahpics market to keep it afloat until they can finish the catch-up. They have the Phenom II which is keeping up with intels latest, which is a testiment of how well they're doing in such hard times.

Nvidia will never lead the performance pack in x86, and it has a little to do with experience. The best they could possibly do would be to purchase via for their x86 liciense, and then apply their graphics and effeciency knowledge to the nano. But without that, every competitor they'll be up against has 20+ years of experience in the x86 market over them. Lol, and the "next generation of greatness" wont be with Nvidia.

The Schnoz 03/04/2009 9:45 PM
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zahanffxi :
Nforce chipests, GPU Technology, now X86 CPU's....... Yeah I'm on board for the next generation of greatness. Just as intel sells CPU's and boards with there own chipsets I see Nvidia doing the same thing ONLY better. AMD I hate to say is on life support so now is the time for Nvidia to step up and lead. Imagine a full gaming system nvidia CPU, GPU, Nforce Mobo, only thing missing is Nvidia memory. "The Award for most Kick Butt gaming system goes to Nvidia" lol.


Fucking fan boys....

erikstarcher 03/04/2009 10:00 PM
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With Intel suing Nvidia over chipset licenses I doubt that would they would be able to make x86 cpu with out a license. The only reason AMD can produce x86 chips is from an agreement from way back, and I don't think Intel has to license x86 to anyone. But that could have anti-trust issues attached.

hchawk19 03/04/2009 10:20 PM
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AMD can produce x86 chips because of an arbitration case where as a remedy for Intel's breach of a contract, the arbitrator granted AMD a perpetual, royalty-free license to x86 patents, as well as any technology patents belonging to Intel obtained through reverse engineering.

Anyone else making x86 technology must license it from Intel. Intel does not have to license to Nvidia if it does not want to do so.

vaskodogama 03/04/2009 10:22 PM
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nVidia's chip designs are great, they do more process with lower clocks, so in netbook market, and mobile device market, nVidia's x86's could be great, and will be great, not a fanboy, this is technology, and economics and competition! they know they have to release a great product to be compete-able with other products in the market! wait and see!
[ remember, more product's competition, better prices and performance, better for us ]

pug_s 03/04/2009 10:22 PM
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erikstarcher :
With Intel suing Nvidia over chipset licenses I doubt that would they would be able to make x86 cpu with out a license. The only reason AMD can produce x86 chips is from an agreement from way back, and I don't think Intel has to license x86 to anyone. But that could have anti-trust issues attached.



Nvidia can probably make x86 processors without violating Intel's x86 license because the patents on the 486 processor will expire this year. Intel Atom processors' design are very simple, very much like a pentium or a 486 processor, which is why Nvidia can make their own x86 processors based on the 486 processors without violating Intel's IP. They could've made a processor that integrate an x86 processor and the ION platform in one die and sell it for cheap.

Blessedman 03/04/2009 10:25 PM
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Nvidia buying Via is on the edge of possibility. I am not sure that Nvidia has the capital to actually out right buy Via though. Would be their best bet though to enter into the cpu market.

scarpa 03/04/2009 10:42 PM
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Nvidia should enter the CPU market because the CPU market is going to increase substantially in the future when many things like cars,TV's,robots etc are going to have a small CPU in them.

I hope they'll enter the high end segment also because more competition is needed there.

blackwidow_rsa 03/04/2009 11:15 PM
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via should merge with nvidia. they could use a proper chipset maker and the capital to invest into new cpus and hopefully will allow the transfer of the x86 license

Anonymous 03/04/2009 11:22 PM
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The license for the 486 runs up soon, so x86 shouldn't be hard. But SSE, SSE2, and all the way up are probably still out of Nvidia's reach, and that could hurt.

dconnors 03/04/2009 11:31 PM
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roofus :
Let me guess..Will it be yet another way to recycle the G92? lol



After reading Angelini's article...this made me lol a little. :-D

1raflo 03/04/2009 11:50 PM
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roofus :
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LOL!!!! thumbs up!

Animebando 03/05/2009 12:33 PM
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roofus :
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Awesome... just awesome.

grieve 03/05/2009 12:44 PM
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roofus :
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LOL!

wrack 03/05/2009 1:18 AM
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Why not just aim for x64 processor? I mean in 2-3 years x86 will start to go down!

roofus 03/05/2009 1:41 AM
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Sorry..The G92 was the first thing that popped in my head. It's like a penny stuck to the pavement so to speak. I buy alot of Nvidia stuff but I cannot help but scoff at the prospect of them playing in the CPU arena. They need to take the advice they gave Intel and "stick to doing what you do well". I am sure they feel a new world coming with integrated graphics on the CPU core and dont want to miss the boat but their lazy, lack of innovation rebranding of stale products tells me they are NOT ready. They are losing the price/perf battle in what they do best which means they need to concentrate on fixing their house before adding on to it.

jkflipflop98 03/05/2009 3:03 AM
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Curnel_D 03/05/2009 3:13 AM
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wrack :
Why not just aim for x64 processor? I mean in 2-3 years x86 will start to go down!


Because every x64 processor is really just an x86 processor with 64-bit extentions. The only real 64-bit processors come from IBM or intel's Itanium lineup (I could be missing one, dono). You can thank AMD for that massive screwup. If AMD hadnt rushed the gate on 64-bit support when it didnt matter one bit, we would likely have true 64-bit solutions atm.

So for now, and much of the forseeable future, x86 compatability will have to be a priority.

roofus 03/05/2009 3:32 AM
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jkflipflop98 :
NICE! I just got a virus off one of the banner ads on this page. What the hell?



Yea my AV went crazy on here a while ago. I would never expect anything like that here.

IzzyCraft 03/05/2009 3:40 AM
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roofus :
Let me guess..Will it be yet another way to recycle the G92? lol



Only if they could. At least it would make the G92 chip dirt cheap mass production and all.

roofus :
Yea my AV went crazy on here a while ago. I would never expect anything like that here.


That's why i changed my hosts file to block most ad's gets most of them at least.

1raflo 03/05/2009 4:40 AM
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roofus :
Yea my AV went crazy on here a while ago. I would never expect anything like that here.



Get firefox with no script and adblock extensions. Works wonders for me.

demonhorde665 03/05/2009 6:42 AM
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zahanffxi :
Nforce chipests, GPU Technology, now X86 CPU's....... Yeah I'm on board for the next generation of greatness. Just as intel sells CPU's and boards with there own chipsets I see Nvidia doing the same thing ONLY better. AMD I hate to say is on life support so now is the time for Nvidia to step up and lead. Imagine a full gaming system nvidia CPU, GPU, Nforce Mobo, only thing missing is Nvidia memory. "The Award for most Kick Butt gaming system goes to Nvidia" lol.




what are you smoking ????

AMD is hardly on "life support" they offer teh best bang for teh buck processors curently , they have beat intel in teh pst , and ati holds i fairly large portion of teh discrete graphics market. given the state of the economy AMD only stands to win since thier higher end CPU's cost teh same as Intel's liower end models. soon peoepl will be looking to them for low cost power computing. to say they are on life support , is ridiculous if any thing the economy is hurting intel when half their stock retails at 500-1000 us dollars. dont get me wrong , im not a fanboy just clarifying some facts about economics sure intel is still doing better now but if the economy get's an worse , AMD's lower costing high end chips will start to fly compared to intel's high costing high end chips.

demonhorde665 03/05/2009 6:49 AM
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actually ANY company can reverse engineer a product leagally as long as their is substanstial proof that such product was reverse engineered and not directly copied. so an nvidia x86 is possible leagally with out any licenseing fees due. the concern here is that reverse engineering is sloppy at best and can't provide consistant results(ie thier chip could wind up being much worse than the original , or it could wind up being better)

bin1127 03/05/2009 9:49 AM
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even though Intel is more than 10x the size AMD/Nvidia combined, Intel's criteria for being successful is their high profit margin. Any extra competition in any segment directly into the x86 market could spell disaster for Intel and some very unhappy shareholders. Since Intel and Nvidia holds more of a grudge towards each other than ever, this makes perfect sense; if not to just piss off Intel.

Dmerc 03/05/2009 10:06 AM
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So what happened to the GPU will power the PC?
No matter which way you look at it, most pc programs are written for a x86 cpu and to be able to enter the CPU market you processor will have to support that instrction set. I would be pissed off if I bought a new CPU and most of my software didn't work cause it was not x86.


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