Why Intel Keeps Losing Money In Mobile (Op-Ed)

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  • TechyInAZ
    While I like Intel's capitalism. I think they should stay out of the mobile market. If they keep failing like this and loosing money, they should just stick to the CPU/CPU server market and make better products out of those.
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  • gsxrme
    While I like Intel's capitalism. I think they should stay out of the mobile market. If they keep failing like this and loosing money, they should just stick to the CPU/CPU server market and make better products out of those.

    Let them fail, It doesn't matter its computation in that market and computation is good. Only if we had real computation in the desktop x86 and server x86 area. AMD hasn't been pushing into at all in years and look what has happened, NOTHING but smaller dies.
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  • CaedenV
    While I like Intel's capitalism. I think they should stay out of the mobile market. If they keep failing like this and loosing money, they should just stick to the CPU/CPU server market and make better products out of those.
    I disagree, Intel has been bleeding out money in the mobile space the last few years, but it is quickly turning around. Moving from a $1B loss to a $200M loss in a single year is a huge improvement, and they are finding huge ways to reduce chip costs as the technology matures and they get much better yields per chip and they pay off their R&D costs. In another 2 years they should be in a position where it becomes a profitable business.
    While the server market is quite secure, Intel cannot be the big robust company that it is today merely by living off of their server products alone. The desktop and laptop space is their "bread and butter" market, and it is a market that is currently starting to transition out, and will be relegated to a niche market of hardcore gamers and content creation professionals in 10 years. People like you and I may always have our desktops... but in my own extended family I think there are really only 3-4 people who 'need' a traditional desktop or laptop for what they do (and we are talking about 100+ people here). The reason they have desktops is because they are familiar with desktops and are unaware of what phones and tablets are actually capable of today.
    And even for myself it has been interesting to see the transition. I use to have 2 desktops, a laptop, and a server, paired with half a dozen portable devices (from CD players, to phones, to GPS, PDAs etc.). Up until I went back to school last year I had cut all of that down to a desktop, a home server, and a smartphone. With school I added a laptop to the mix, but with 'real' office coming to phones later this year my laptop will become useless again and I will probably sell it for a newer smartphone.
    Not only do people have fewer devices, they hold on to them much longer. I use to upgrade my computer every 2-3 years... now my desktop is coming up on 4 years old and it really just needs a new GPU to get me through the next 2-4 years and I am more than happy with the performance the system gives me. Heck, the home server I am running was my Core2Quad desktop from 8 years ago and it is still running very strong and makes for a rather overkill home server. And I am not alone in this. Most people are dropping the number of devices they keep, and holding onto them much longer... Intel simply cannot remain Intel with this trend.

    But the mobile space is much more important. The mobile space is not just phones and tablets. The mobile space is cars, TVs, receivers, video players, connected sensors, smart toys/gadgets/robotics... it is an extremely large industry that is being birthed right now. Choosing to miss out on that while the traditional desktop and laptop markets phase out over the next 10 years would be extremely short sighted. Anything they can to do break into these markets will more than pay for itself in the not too distant future, and it is worth whatever price needs to be paid to become the dominant player.
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  • Vlad Rose
    Ever hear the saying, "You can't make an omelet without breaking a couple eggs"? That's what Intel is doing in order to be competitive in the mobile market. The have the financial backing to be able to throw tons of money and research into a project to achieve their end result. Once they've attained that end result, they will finally show profit in that sector.
    This is similar to what Microsoft and Sony have been doing with their console markets. Sell them for a loss to get market share and years down the road make it back in profits.
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  • de5_Roy
    Intel will make..
    ONE MILLION DOLLARS!! *DUN*DUN*
    from mobile chip sales.

    Atom based desktop boards (the ones with BGA chips) are still rather expensive. and those DDR3 SODIMMs (for atom nuc barebones) aren't getting cheaper either.

    one of the ways Intel can bleed less money if/when ARM inevitably raises license/subscription/royalty fees which has a domino effect over the whole ARM ecosystem.
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  • edwd2
    at least we're getting dirt cheap baytrail phones and tablets right now. just ordered a zenfone2 for $299 (Atom Z3580 G6430 4GB 32GB 5.5" 1920x1080)
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  • TNT27
    socket 1150 same generation i7/i5/i3/pentium/celeron all start out as the same basic identical chip, the i7. This is suppose to be not known by public, and is done so to keep costs down for producing chips, its easier and cheaper to produce one chip, then go from there, than create different special chips right from manufacturing.

    They then destroy/blow fuses to limit the cpu's potential, bringing it down to i5/i3/pentiums and so forth.


    They have been doing this forever, even when my father worked with intel, where he was testing/developing the max frequency on p3/p4s hooking it up to car coolant.

    There use to be a huge problem back then of other small companies (mostly foreign companies) buying up huge quantities of cheapo celerons, and then fixing these fuses together to unlock it to what was fastest of its day, the pentiums, this would lead to of course stability issues. Its the same reason the little e, in Intel use to be dropped, to help find false relabeled pentium chips that were previously celeron chips.

    Today, these falsified chips are much harder to produce for those small companies.

    Im not sure on the exact process they do for producing atom chips, but im sure its very similar.
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  • Brian_R170
    socket 1150 same generation i7/i5/i3/pentium/celeron all start out as the same basic identical chip, the i7. This is suppose to be not known by public, and is done so to keep costs down for producing chips, its easier and cheaper to produce one chip, then go from there, than create different special chips right from manufacturing.

    They then destroy/blow fuses to limit the cpu's potential, bringing it down to i5/i3/pentiums and so forth.


    They have been doing this forever, even when my father worked with intel, where he was testing/developing the max frequency on p3/p4s hooking it up to car coolant.

    There use to be a huge problem back then of other small companies (mostly foreign companies) buying up huge quantities of cheapo celerons, and then fixing these fuses together to unlock it to what was fastest of its day, the pentiums, this would lead to of course stability issues. Its the same reason the little e, in Intel use to be dropped, to help find false relabeled pentium chips that were previously celeron chips.

    Today, these falsified chips are much harder to produce for those small companies.

    Im not sure on the exact process they do for producing atom chips, but im sure its very similar.

    This is not universally true. You can easily tell when two chips are not the same by looking at the die sizes. The socketed Haswell desktop CPUs (LGA1150) have 2 die sizes (130mm^2 and 177mm^2), the dual-core variants are 130mm and the quad-core variants are 177mm). Yes, they use fuses to disable hyper-threading and some of the cache in some chips, but you are wrong about it not being known by the public, pretty much everyone knows this.

    You think the little e in Intel was dropped to prevent faked CPUs? Seriously? That e was dropped in 1968.
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  • ta152h
    This is an uninformed article, that fails to understand any of the real intricacies.

    Intel is making processors at TSMC because the technology they bought from Infineon has not been brought over to their own fabs, yet. They will be moving all manufacturing to Intel fabs in 2016. So, no, not because of cost, all because they haven't moved all their technology to Intel processes yet.

    Intel had negative revenue in Q4, for the MCG group. Forget the other nonsense about $80 chips, they don't need nearly that much. They generated NEGATIVE money for each sale, so of course lost money.

    Also, the price listed for Intel Celeron and Pentium parts is completely irrelevant. If you look at the price of a Celeron, then look at the price of the same part on a motherboard, you get an idea of how different the list price is from the actual price. The Celeron on the motherboard costs very close to the same. Also keep in mind, a large part of cost can be the GPU, which will vary greatly between a phone and desktop processor.

    So, no, they don't need $80 per chip, or anywhere near it. That's pure fabrication.

    The question is, why would anyone want these chips? Forget the fluff, the reality is, unless Intel essentially gives them away, no one is using them in tablets. AMD's Jaguar/Puma is better in laptops and desktops, so Intel has to price them low to make them attractive. So, there's no area they are better than competing solutions, so Intel has to compete entirely on price. Thus, the losses.
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  • PaulBags
    If it's not because part of the chip didn't come out right, then they could just make every chip i7 and sell them for less. But I assume it is a yield thing, they fuse damaged parts off in testing; or being fuses they blow themselves in testing. Whatever part of the chip that's left, if it's stable and preforms to a spec, slap that spec model number it and ship it out.

    At least that's what I always assumed when people talk hobbled chips.
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