Intel says foundry business won't break even until 14A in 2027

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Currently, Intel's Foundry division loses billions every quarter as it invests heavily in new process technologies and production capacity. However, the company hopes that the Intel Foundry unit will break even sometime in 2027, which will coincide with the rollout out Intel's 14A manufacturing technology and production start on 18A-P node

Intel this week reaffirmed that the first product made on its 18A (1.8nm-class) fabrication process, the client PC processor (codenamed Panther Lake), will hit the market late this year and will ramp next year. The manufacturing technology will also be adopted for Xeon 'Clearwater Forest' and some third-party products, but from Intel's Foundry business perspective, 18A is will be a proof-of-concept for external clients. If this production node is a success, more potential customers will adopt its successors, including 18A-P, and 14A (1.4nm-class). 

"I think we do need to see more external volume come from 14A versus versus 18A, said David Zinsner, chief financial officer of Intel, at the J.P. Morgan Global Technology, Media and Communications Conference. "We have […] a bunch of bunch of potential customers, and then we get test chips, and then some customers fall out in the test chips, and then there is a certain amount of customers that kind of hang in there. So, committed volume is not significant right now, for sure. But, you know, I think we have got to partly prove ourselves a little bit with our own product and eat our own dog food here, and then […] we start to see some engagement around customers." 

Zinsner admitted that if the company choses to use High-NA EUV lithography with its 14A process technology — as it plans to at the moment — its costs will go up initially. Intel hopes that advantages enabled by the new fab tools will outweigh those higher costs. 

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Anton Shilov
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Anton Shilov is a contributing writer at Tom’s Hardware. Over the past couple of decades, he has covered everything from CPUs and GPUs to supercomputers and from modern process technologies and latest fab tools to high-tech industry trends.

  • acadia11
    They better get to accelerating that TL!
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  • TerryLaze
    acadia11 said:
    They better get to accelerating that TL!
    What's TL?!

    Also if the Fabs start producing 18A for the end of the year (2025) it's pretty optimistic to say 2027 ,unless they know that they will be producing like crazy.
    They invested like 50bil in the new FABs, getting that back in two years, not in revenue but actual net income would be super.
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  • dalek1234
    Intel could be setting the tone here for cancelling 18A in near future, in favour of 14A; just like they did with 20A in favour of 18A
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  • phead128
    If it's only 2 years to become profitable, why did they fire Gelsinger.
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  • TerryLaze
    dalek1234 said:
    Intel could be setting the tone here for cancelling 18A in near future, in favour of 14A; just like they did with 20A in favour of 18A
    That would be even more insane, making that much profit of off only one node and within 2 years...
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  • User of Computers
    This wasn't news 3 years ago when Intel first announced it, and it still isn't news. Foundry is expensive and there is very little in the way of outside volume coming Intel's way.
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  • rluker5
    Note that this is specific to the foundry side of the business. The side that is getting modernized.
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  • acadia11
    TerryLaze said:
    What's TL?!

    Also if the Fabs start producing 18A for the end of the year (2025) it's pretty optimistic to say 2027 ,unless they know that they will be producing like crazy.
    They invested like 50bil in the new FABs, getting that back in two years, not in revenue but actual net income would be super.
    Timeline … I’m still believing Broadcomm may gobble them up. The real is how long that bargain basement pricing will last … if they are stating 2027 before they’ll have the partners utilizing 14A in enough capacity to right their FAB business it’s a problem. Remember they aren’t talking about 18A here and they better get some real life out of that investment.
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  • User of Computers
    acadia11 said:
    if they are stating 2027 before they’ll have the partners utilizing 14A in enough capacity to right their FAB business it’s a problem. Remember they aren’t talking about 18A here and they better get some real life out of that investment.
    That is not what they are saying. They are saying that it will be until 2027 that Foundry will break even. Bear in mind, of course, that this number includes internal volume for Intel products. Intel will make money on 18A regardless of which partners actually use the node, as Panther Lake, Clearwater Forest, and likely Diamond Rapids will be made on 18A or variants thereof.
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  • thestryker
    dalek1234 said:
    Intel could be setting the tone here for cancelling 18A in near future, in favour of 14A; just like they did with 20A in favour of 18A
    No that isn't happening.

    These situations are dramatically different from one another, because Intel 20A is to 18A what Intel 4 is to Intel 3. That is to say the latter are expansions of the former which had limited libraries and PDKs. 14A is an entirely new process which is not a direct derivative of anything that came before. If Intel were to cancel 18A for 14A then the foundry business is dead.
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