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Microsoft May Still Merge Windows Phone, Windows RT

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Microsoft is still shooting for one operating system to rule them all.

Last week Microsoft held a financial analyst meeting with Julie Larson-Green, Kirill Tatarinov, Qi Lu, Satya Nadella and Terry Myerson, and moderated by Tami Reller (docx file). One of the questions asked during this meeting was about the future of Windows RT, which was a good one at that. Manufacturers have seemingly bailed out on the ARM-based platform, and Microsoft's own Surface RT stockpile caused the company to take a $900 million hit in the pocket.

"We have two very important chipset families in everything we're doing in all of our devices, and that's x86 and ARM," answered Microsoft's new head of the operating systems division, Terry Myerson. "The ARM devices in particular in phones have incredible share given their battery life and the connectivity options available with the system-on-a-chip ecosystem. Windows RT was our first ARM tablet. And as phones extend into tablets, expect us to see many more ARM tablets, Windows ARM tablets in the future."

Earlier in the session, Myerson said that Microsoft should have one silicon interface and one set of APIs for all devices. Even more, all apps brought to end users should be available on all of those devices, not just one set on one architecture and one set on another. The company also needs one core cloud service to enable all devices whether they're branded Windows or Xbox. In addition, users should have a familiar, unified experience across all devices, but each device should also have a tailored experience whether it's an 8 inch tablet or a 60 inch HDTV.

"So our team is now organized in this way," Myerson said. "We [have] a core team that will bring those silicon interfaces together, bring those developer platforms together, and approach delivery of apps to the customers in a common way. We have one team delivering the core services that will light up our devices. And then we have satellite teams each focused on each of the device categories, so each of them can be reflective of what the customer expects in that place."

As it stands now, Microsoft has created a unified design style across desktop, mobile and console, but the app ecosystem is divided between x86 and ARM-based architectures. One of the biggest complaints thus far is a lack of a common store shared between tablets and phones. However, the statements made during the session seem to indicate that Microsoft is still pushing for simplicity: one platform and one app market to rule them all.

"We've been together, brought all the OS groups together at the company for about two months now," he said. "And we really haven't been wasting any time in terms of organizing all of our efforts in the operating system area around three key beliefs." Again, those three beliefs are one silicon interface, one core service and a tailored experience for each device.

Does this mean Microsoft plans to merge Windows RT and Windows Phone? That's up in the air, but the wording points to a possibility that Microsoft could also bring Windows Phone to tablets. The outlook, it seems, is that Microsoft is shooting for a Windows 8 platform without labels for all form factors and architectures.

Microsoft plans to hold a Surface event on Monday, reportedly to showcase the new Surface Pro, Surface RT and Surface Mini tablets. Windows 8.1 and Windows RT 8.1 are slated to launch on October 18, 2013.

 

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    Blessedman , September 22, 2013 12:11 PM
    Why wasn't this the goal from the start? If they had one OS across all their platforms, all apps only required minimal modification to run on the different platforms (or non at all considering most development now includes a mobile version of the app) they would really gain some momentum. Their fragmentation makes android look like a dream! **As Ballmer cried about fragmentation in the android market.
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    Cryio , September 22, 2013 12:56 PM
    They should do this faster. Windows Phone development (OS updates and apps) is going way faster than the Desktop Store, be it for RT or x86.

    Maybe Microsoft have more in store for us after 8.1, but they really REALLY need to take a closer look at all the dubious apps released for Windows RT. Windows Phone apps are of a way higher quality.

    The merge only makes sense. But they should do it rather sooner than later.
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    falchard , September 22, 2013 1:37 PM
    I know the reason I never thought about buying Windows RT is because its redundant. I think its entirely possible to do this outside of games. The C# implementation can make it simple to compile programs for all Windows Devices. The exception is of course high end games that require the more powerful C++ code.
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    JD88 , September 22, 2013 1:47 PM
    This is real simple. Windows Phone (or name it whatever) with ARM chips for 8" tablets and under. x86 Windows 8.x for anything bigger with an on/off switch for the metro interface depending on how the device is used.
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    alextheblue , September 22, 2013 7:35 PM
    JD88, why bother limiting x86 or ARM to certain sizes? The interface is the same either way. With a ULP x86 processor, I see no reason why you couldn't have a 7" Win8 tablet. On the other side of the coin, a high-powered Snapdragon or similar ARM chip could enable a 10" or so device that could come in at a significantly lower cost. I don't see the need for arbitrary restrictions.

    Now with regards to Windows Phone, if they can better unify the APIs and the store between WP8 and WinRT/8, then I think it will improve the situation across the board. My biggest gripe is that if you run into a game that's available on both, and you want to play it on both, currently you'd have to buy it twice. I understand it might not be identical, but if it's the same software they should work with developers to make it available on both platforms if you've purchased it once - whenever possible.
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    Bloob , September 22, 2013 8:55 PM
    Merging the 2 would go against their policy of seeing tablets more like PCs than huge phones. The OSs might "merge" somewhat on API level, but I'd wager they will keep the UIs seperate (as they should, a tablet is not a phone).
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    Bloob , September 22, 2013 9:01 PM
    Quote:
    Why wasn't this the goal from the start? If they had one OS across all their platforms, all apps only required minimal modification to run on the different platforms (or non at all considering most development now includes a mobile version of the app) they would really gain some momentum. Their fragmentation makes android look like a dream! **As Ballmer cried about fragmentation in the android market.

    If made well, often a WP app will run on W8 by just doing layouts with binding's to right data and calling your functions from event-handlers. Your app will work way better as a tablet app if you do not re-use the whole phone UI (you can still re-use some components / user controls).
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    Blazer1985 , September 23, 2013 2:28 AM
    The moment I'll be able to open 3D Studio Max from my smartphone I'll be an happy man with a grin on my face and a burning phone on my hand :-)
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    sire_angelus , September 23, 2013 3:56 AM
    i hope the transition comes soon.
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    ddpruitt , September 23, 2013 5:43 AM
    You know Microsoft tried this before on a smaller scale (think NT days) with their microkernel. Didn't work so well back then either. Unfortunately merging everything will just make things worse for everyone. APIs will work unpredictably, hardware won't be used to it's full potential, etc.

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    I know the reason I never thought about buying Windows RT is because its redundant. I think its entirely possible to do this outside of games. The C# implementation can make it simple to compile programs for all Windows Devices. The exception is of course high end games that require the more powerful C++ code.


    Script kiddies really shouldn't try to respond on the technical side, sorry.
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    Duckhunt , September 23, 2013 6:03 AM
    How about this great idea? Keep the start button for people who want it. Let them customize the desktop how they want it. NO No NO. The 1% know best. The rest of us are just stupid. The relearning of things when you know something already is waste of time. There is enough things to do already in life. Why can't they have a button, call it classic view. ENd of story.
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    Murissokah , September 23, 2013 6:25 AM
    "As it stands now, Microsoft has created a unified design style across desktop, mobile a
    and console..."

    Yeah, thanks a lot for that. It feels great to use a 30+ inch monitor and have a tablet interface shoved at my face everytime I press the Windows key.
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    stevejnb , September 23, 2013 6:37 AM
    Very much like this idea and it's where I see things headed, with RT being the prototype of the purely mobile OS but having a direct crossover with the desktop OS. With the mobile environment they are creating with 8/RT that overlays the desktop environment and phone hardware reaching a point where it will run this, I hope they do away with this other category of mini-OS. Frankly, I'm sick of trying to get phones/tablets to try and communicate with desktop machines. With the whole Windows 8/RT thing, I don't have to wrestle with that any more with PCs/tablets, now if phones are going to be added to the mix, my days of arguing with distinct OS's which all want to do their own things are over.
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    Pallimud , September 23, 2013 8:07 AM
    Microsoft was testing the market and I think now will consolidate their tech to make development and app development easier. This is the approach Google will be doing with Android and Chrome in the future, even if they keep them distinct for marketing purposes. Chrome will just be Google's version of Android that runs on PCs, Tablets, and Phones.
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    GreaseMonkey_62 , September 23, 2013 10:06 AM
    "...one operating system to rule them all" and in the darkness bind them.
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    GreaseMonkey_62 , September 23, 2013 10:10 AM
    It sounds nice in theory, but not all hardware is created equal. Some things will run better on a computer than a desktop and unless software gets dumbed down, just leave it alone.
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    warezme , September 23, 2013 10:52 AM
    one operating system to rule them all is foolishness taken up to the stupid level. An inexpensive desktop with powerful hardware used to do your taxes, rip audio and video, play high end games and work with excel spreadsheets is in no way shape or form the same as a tablet or phone used to google stuff, tweet and play ninja fruit. So as Windows 8 has so clearly illustrated you end up destroying the usability of one or the other by forcing a common OS.
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    stevejnb , September 23, 2013 11:00 AM
    Warzone, could you please describe the ways in which Windows 8 has ended up "destroying the usability" of the Windows platform? Because last I checked Windows 8 was entirely compatible with your vision of "an inexpensive desktop with powerful hardware used to do your taxes, rip audio and video, play high end games and work with excel spreadsheets" and one could argue it's actually better at it than Windows 8. Get the same hardware, install Windows 8, do exactly what you listed there - done.

    PS - typed from a Windows 8 tablet which is hooked up to a 55' HDTV which does everything you listed except play high end games and I will unhook and use on the go when I'm done at home. Go figure, Windows 8 as an OS can do everything you listed above, but its also slick as all hell on a whole new class of device that previous versions of Windows are utter garbage on.
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    warezme , September 23, 2013 11:01 AM
    one operating system to rule them all is foolishness taken up to the stupid level. An inexpensive desktop with powerful hardware used to do your taxes, rip audio and video, play high end games and work with excel spreadsheets is in no way shape or form the same as a tablet or phone used to google stuff, tweet and play ninja fruit. So as Windows 8 has so clearly illustrated you end up destroying the usability of one or the other by forcing a common OS.
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    alextheblue , September 23, 2013 9:06 PM
    Quote:
    Yeah, thanks a lot for that. It feels great to use a 30+ inch monitor and have a tablet interface shoved at my face everytime I press the Windows key.
    You should look into the new settings in 8.1. You can set it so that it displays the "Apps view" list by default when you enter Start. Then you can also set it to list Desktop programs first when sorting by category in apps view. That way it's basically just a start menu that uses all your screen.

    Of course you can just start typing to search. I use Search on anything that isn't pinned or a shortcut on both Win7 and Win8 - it's faster than drilling down folders in the start menu. In 8.1 you can search without leaving the desktop, too, just hit Win + S.

    Between those settings and stuff like boot to desktop and shared desktop/start backgrounds, it's really not bad even for traditional non-touch desktops. There's other various goodies in there too.