AMD is allegedly working on Arm-based "Sound Wave" APUs for Microsoft's Surface laptops next year

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  • rluker5
    Isn't Microsoft already having enough issues with ARM? https://www.windowscentral.com/hardware/surface/amazon-flags-surface-laptop-7-as-a-frequently-returned-item-warns-buyers-to-check-reviews-firstPeople look for plug and play with stuff like Microsoft surface and Apple. They don't like having DIY projects.
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  • ezst036
    Sad that AMD will put this into a dedicated FF# socket.
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  • JamesJones44
    rluker5 said:
    Isn't Microsoft already having enough issues with ARM? https://www.windowscentral.com/hardware/surface/amazon-flags-surface-laptop-7-as-a-frequently-returned-item-warns-buyers-to-check-reviews-firstPeople look for plug and play with stuff like Microsoft surface and Apple. They don't like having DIY projects.
    The important thing is to actually read the reviews. While some are complaining about compatibility, it sounds like there are a lot of other issues. Keyboard, bad charger, bricking, track pad fails, etc.

    It sounds like beyond compatibility, this thing has some serious quality issues.
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  • bit_user
    The article said:
    Sound Wave is reported to feature the Arm ISA and will likely leverage off-the-shelf Cortex cores.
    I read that it would be based on Zen 6, which is kinda the point. Otherwise, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense for AMD to jump into this market.

    The article said:
    These Sound Wave SoCs, if true, could be a foundation for the Steam Deck 2, but I must emphasize this is highly speculative.
    Or, given Microsoft's new love for ARM, maybe they decided the next XBox needed to have ARM cores, leading AMD to develop its own ARM cores, in order to compete for that business.

    I also think AMD wants to play in the the ARM server market, since it looks like that's near a tipping point.
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  • usertests
    bit_user said:
    I read that it would be based on Zen 6, which is kinda the point. Otherwise, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense for AMD to jump into this market.
    That was a fail leak. It was leaked as ARM months ago.

    Why bother making it? Because someone wanted it, apparently. Although off-the-shelf cores aren't exciting, they can use their graphics IP, which has already been paired with ARM before in Exynos.

    Funnily enough, the "Bumblebee" 2+2+2 Zen 6 APU sounds like a more interesting chip, targeting similar low power devices. Both Sound Wave and Bumblebee were leaked by MLID.
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  • bit_user
    usertests said:
    That was a fail leak. It was leaked as ARM months ago.
    Now I'm sad.
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  • Notton
    Lunar Lake goes to show that x86 can do low power just fine, but it still sucks at ultra low power standby.
    Where as ARM does both well.
    Not that Microsoft has been able to capitalize on the efficiency gains because their OS is trash.

    For example, my cheapo entry level android phone does about 5~7 days on a single charge.
    I can only achieve 7 days on a Win11 laptop if I turn it off, and even then it's still no guarantee.
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  • usertests
    Notton said:
    Lunar Lake goes to show that x86 can do low power just fine, but it still sucks at ultra low power standby.
    Where as ARM does both well.
    I'll be interested to see how AMD's rumored "LP" cores play out in desktop and mobile. Looks similar to Intel's LPE cores in that they are not located on a compute die, so the compute dies could be turned off completely during idle if managed properly.
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  • dalek1234
    Notton said:
    .. I can only achieve 7 days on a Win11 laptop if I turn it off, and even then it's still no guarantee.
    By default, Windows doesn't completely turn off when turned off. It continues to run some stuff in the background so that when you restart the laptop, it take less time to load because some stuff was unloaded.

    Disable "turn off fast startup" in Windows Power Options.
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  • TerryLaze
    bit_user said:
    Or, given Microsoft's new love for ARM, maybe they decided the next XBox needed to have ARM cores, leading AMD to develop its own ARM cores, in order to compete for that business.
    Heck no, first of all there will probably not be a next xbox.
    Secondly game devs (including MS) still hurt from having to code games for both architectures, that's the only reason we have x86 in consoles now in the first place, so they can only make one version of games.
    These Sound Wave SoCs, if true, could be a foundation for the Steam Deck 2, but I must emphasize this is highly speculative.
    All of the above times infinite for the steamdeck, valve spend so much money on making games run on x86 linux they will not start that whole procedure again for arm.
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