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Behind the Tech: Sandy Bridge Recall, An Insider's Story
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One week after Intel’s recall notice, on Valentine's Day, AMD sent out some snarky cards teasing Intel about its current situation. It complemented the cards with a lot of chocolate. That chocolate was very tasty. AMD even went so far as to launch a new marketing campaign titled Ready, Willing, and Stable as a reminder of Intel’s stop-shipment action. Leslie Sobon, AMD’s VP of Product and Platform Marketing, said in an interview with Dow Jones Newswires that "We have some customers and retailers who have come to us specifically as a result of Intel's chip problem. Some retailers have had to take things off their shelves, so they call us to ask what they could get from our OEMs that are similar. And OEMs are asking us for product as well."

AMD hasn't quite captured the flag.AMD hasn't quite captured the flag.

According to our contacts at Best Buy and to those in the motherboard business, this probably isn't as optimistic for AMD (or its investors) as it might seem. Motherboard makers did not increase AMD motherboard production to compensate for the loss of Sandy Bridge-based sales. Similarly, stores didn't see any substitution effect in the buying habits of consumers. According to sales personnel, customers are still excited about Sandy Bridge, and the recall doesn't seem to have tempered interest in the product.

Unfortunately, even the best marketing attempts won’t make a difference in AMD’s market share right now. The stark reality is that there is no equivalent to compete with Sandy Bridge microprocessors. Full shipments of B3 chipset-based motherboards have already begun. Meanwhile, we expect to see Llano samples at Computex, but this still gives Sandy Bridge a three-month head start.

Until the launch of Llano (AMD says the first Llano parts are already shipping, but what does that mean to us if they're in the hands of OEMs and not enthusiasts?), AMD gets to focus on its Zacate and Ontario APUs, which have already seen marginal success. The price of notebooks based on these solutions is still rather high, though. And "doorbuster" models are often revenue losers. However, the high volume of budget notebooks sold is hard to ignore. AMD's Brazos platform allows notebooks to be sold for $400 without the negative stigma of Atom. But overall, performance just isn’t that much improved.

Microprocessor shipments are expected to grow about 10.1% this year, compared to the 17.1% growth in 2010. Large- and mid-sized corporations are expected to drive most of this growth with notebook sales for their employees. Meanwhile, consumer purchases are expected to remain weak because of economic concerns and competition from tablets.

There is some good news. Our motherboard contacts are very impressed by their preliminary look at Llano (CeBIT 2011: AMD Demos Llano Behind Closed Doors). As AMD tries to do battle on Intel's turf, it's battling the effects of time to the same extent it's throwing down with its major competitor. Competitive solutions only stay competitive when they are delivered on time, and most of the Llano news we're used to seeing starts with something about a delay.

As one motherboard VP stated, “AMD needs to deliver soon. They can’t keep spending cash the way they have and expect to remain profitable quarter after quarter.” It’s true that AMD is spending a lot on its Fusion initiative, which is why there is a great deal riding on Llano. Regardless of price, AMD can only go so far by selling processors that match the performance of Intel's previous generation.

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    Assmar , April 6, 2011 4:04 AM
    Lol, that neighborhood watch picture still creeps me out to this day.
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    acku , April 6, 2011 4:16 AM
    Quote:
    Lol, that neighborhood watch picture still creeps me out to this day.


    Well that's why you shouldn't talk to strangers. :) 
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    dogman_1234 , April 6, 2011 4:16 AM
    So Intel noticed the problem before hand and did nothing until it became apparent? I am not one to criticize Intel, but if any error is noticed, i would warn of it immediately.
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    ferelden , April 6, 2011 4:22 AM
    Sandybridge performance is just too beastly for this to affect it long term, most people who have just come into the cpu market to upgrade didn't even realize there was a recall in the past and just got a b3 p67 and i5-2500k without any hesitation
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    Stardude82 , April 6, 2011 5:01 AM
    Knowing the problem, I'd totally buy a B2 board at a serious discount. Most PC's only have 2 drives anyway and SATA add-on cards are cheap.
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    f-14 , April 6, 2011 5:02 AM
    i didn't see any problem for sales, people just bought core i-7 9XX's
    AMD could crow all they wanted, they didn't have a new product going to the shelf capable of beating the previous i-series. now had AMD released llano during this, they would have made a pre-emeptive death knell strike against sandybridge, but they didn't so it didn't matter what happened until AMD does.
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    f-14 , April 6, 2011 5:07 AM
    oh and also the problem could have been more easily rectified by intel giving out coupons for sata3 devices priced to match sata2 devices and pull it off as a promo that would have sold them millions more in profits.
    as for the people who already bought a 'free' sata 2 device to sata3 replacement device coupon would have been cheaper also.
    Intel just blew a huge marketing opprotunity to grind AMD under the imperial capitalist yankee boot.
    IMO
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    joytech22 , April 6, 2011 6:33 AM
    All I can say after reading this is that Intel did a great job with this issue.

    But it somehow still brings me back to how AMD is still spending money on a product we haven't even seen benchmarks about yet.

    Somebody who uses an OEM machine somewhere around the world MUST have released a benchmark of Llano or BD at some point in time.
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    rolli59 , April 6, 2011 8:59 AM
    It is just business! I wonder if the speculations on the time line is true but most definitely the OEM's had discovered problems well before release.
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    emergancy exit , April 6, 2011 10:47 AM
    or people are just brand loyal to the point of insanity. and intel is cashing in and and keeping their prices high.
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    johnners2981 , April 6, 2011 11:10 AM
    brand loyal, I don't think so. I think people just like how much better intel's performance is.
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    Goldfolk , April 6, 2011 11:28 AM
    I had to replace my motherboard because of this fiasco. I did have episodes of the screen freezing on MMORPGs until I switched all my drives onto the 6Gb connectors.

    I was very apprehensive about the switch but the new board performs flawlessly and one or two issues have disappeared maybe from updated drivers. I do wonder if the B3 stepping has one or two other small changes as I had to update the audio drivers for the sound on what seemed an identical board to work.
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    ivaroeines , April 6, 2011 11:45 AM
    Intel made the right move, to my mind the worst mistake a business can make is to sell/make bad/buggy products. Even worse is to not admit you have a troubled product if you know you have one.

    I may be a bit strange but i stopped buying products from Seagate, Nvidia, IBM and Creative buggy products. Reason for not buying Seagate and Nvidia was a problem Seagate harddrives had with Nvidia chipset(s), neither Nvidia nor Seagate seemed very interested in fixing the issue or own up to the fact that there was one, so i droped them on my hardware shortlist. IBM was the click of death thing on harddrives. And bad drivers made me stop buying Creative. I may consider Nvidia gpu's if a suitable one comes along, but my trust in the company is hurt and may never be restored.
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    burnley14 , April 6, 2011 1:11 PM
    I'm sure not everyone will agree with me, but I think that AMD might be going down the right path with their APU's. I think that CPU's are getting to the point now that even low-end ones can handle just about everything, except for high-end gaming, rendering, etc. But the real demand now is in the graphics arena, since providing a reasonable integrated graphics solution would fix a much more serious bottleneck than the CPU bottleneck.

    I'm using a several-year-old CPU that does everything I want it to just fine. But the integrated graphics are abysmal. If I could change a single component, it would certainly be the graphics, the underpowered CPU still works just fine.
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    Reynod , April 6, 2011 1:31 PM
    As an AMDfanboi even I was surprised at how well Intel responded.

    At least the part doesn't explode though ... for that you need a new NVidia Semtex 590.



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    Anonymous , April 6, 2011 1:32 PM
    In my opinion whilst Intel has done everything right in regard to what they've done post-recall (and it's a recall, when products get shipped back to manufacturer it's a recall, 'stop-shipment' is a lie told to investors), the fact is they announced the product when they knew there was a problem with the chipset.

    Indeed they launched it a few days earlier than expected just to piss on the AMD Zacate launch.

    They played with fire, and it's cost them a lot of money. But they're such a large company with so many fans willing to pay over the top for their 60%+ margin products that it's acceptable behaviour for them to dick with their customers and their OEMs like this.

    Do you seriously think there aren't employees with decision making power in these OEM companies who have lost their holiday, gone through a lot of stress, etc, that won't remember this and exact revenge at some point in the future. I'm sure these people's holidays were refunded, and inconvenience payments made, but it doesn't really make up for the fact that in a busy year a major holiday was taken from them.
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    cadder , April 6, 2011 2:44 PM
    This is a study on WHEN the problem occurred, but what nobody is saying is WHEN will the fixed products be available for purchase?
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    tommysch , April 6, 2011 3:00 PM
    cadderThis is a study on WHEN the problem occurred, but what nobody is saying is WHEN will the fixed products be available for purchase?


    Last week? Newegg has them since last week and I bought a P67 sabertooth on tigerdirect 2 weeks ago...
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    11796pcs , April 6, 2011 3:00 PM
    cadder: I believe they have already fixed all of the problems. When this recall was taking place Newegg barred all purchases of SB MB and CPUs. Now you can buy them again. Also when the problem was reported Toms said the problem would be fixed by April.
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    tntom , April 6, 2011 3:14 PM
    Thanks Toms and Andrew Ku! Keep up the investigative reporting.
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