Hot Chips 2017: AMD Outlines Threadripper And EPYC's MCM Advantage, Claims 41% Cost Reduction

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AMD Senior Fellow Kevin Lepak took to the stage at Hot Chips 2017 to explain the reasoning behind EPYC's MCM (Multi-Chip Module) design and to remind us that the company decided to use multiple die very early in the design process.

Intel presented the now-famous EPYC slide deck during its Purley server event. Intel claimed that AMD merely uses "glued together desktop die" for its EPYC data center chips, and that its multi-chip design, which also makes an appearance in the company's Threadripper models, suffers from poor latency and bandwidth that hamstrings performance in critical workloads. Surprisingly, Barclays downgraded AMD's stock shortly thereafter. AMD suffered a short-term stock slump as a result. Although Barclays didn't directly cite Intel's claims, the reasoning (and explanation) was eerily similar.

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  • BulkZerker
    Silly Intel. Glue is for holding the chips together, ot holding the heatspreader on.
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  • redgarl
    Intel should learn that thermal paste should be applied on the CPU heatspreader, not between to chip and the heatspreader before trying to throw dirt at AMD...

    Funny that now, EMIB, is the next big thing if we listen to Intel!
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  • BonScott
    8ch mem vs 6ch for Skylake SP more than makes up for EPYC higher latency at larger block sizes.

    EPYC bests Skylake in performance in most applications, and is cheaper, lower power, offers better security, more features and IO.

    Out of all three: Ryzen, Theradripper, EPYC; its EPYC that outclasses Intel's offering the MOST.

    Servers are the cash cow Intel was suppose to protect, but they didn't know Infinity Fabric was this good and this ready as was AMD's Zen core and ability to take advantage of MCM.
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  • BonScott
    20103303 said:
    Intel should learn that thermal paste should be applied on the CPU heatspreader, not between to chip and the heatspreader before trying to throw dirt at AMD...

    Funny that now, EMIB, is the next big thing if we listen to Intel!

    They better hurry with that EMIB; they've been resting on node advantage continuing as we bump up against Moore's Law. Intel is banking on 10nm saving them from this AMD ass whipping. They are late to the new Moore's Law (parallel proc, MCM, Heterogeneous Architecture), like they are late to everything else ... except PC decades ago thanks only to IBM

    Intel is doomed.

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  • BonScott
    Is a commitment for $millions in AMD EPYC CPU sales to Chinese Cloud Providers a good thing? You will see on Monday.

    Tencent cloud senior director Zou Xianneng said Tencent cloud will be launched by the end of the year based on AMD EPYC processor 2- way cloud server, up to provide up to 64 processing cores ( 128 threads), with super stand-alone computing The ability to provide the industry with more diverse cloud products and cloud services.

    Baidu company president Zhang Yaqin said, equipped with AMD EPYC processor single slot server can significantly increase the Baidu data center computing efficiency, reduce total cost of ownership, reduce energy consumption. Baidu will be released with AMD EPYC listed on the deployment of synchronization.

    Jingdong hardware system, said Wang Zhongping, head of technology, China's Internet, electricity companies need more computing core and higher memory bandwidth. AMD EPYC data report shows that up to 32 cores, comparable to the industry's common two-way server, 8- channel memory interface is conducive to achieving higher memory communication bandwidth, I believe these will be more close to the domestic Internet companies The demand. Jingdong will also work with AMD EPYC to optimize the total cost of ownership ( TCO ) of the server system , as well as future technical cooperation in the areas of large data, artificial intelligence, and cloud computing.
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  • Martell1977
    How ironic, I recall when the first AMD dual core CPU's came to the market and intel responded with pentium d, which was basically 2 pentium 4's glue together. They also did that with the first Core 2 quads, using C2D chips. but Intel swore back then that there was no performance penalty for doing it that way compared to true dual or quad cores...
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  • JonDol
    "Surprisingly, Barclays downgraded AMD's stock shortly thereafter."

    Thanks for pointing out the technologically limited peoples at Barclays since their lack of vision and understanding results in bad use of their huge power as it may hurt not only the innovating companies but also their own clients.

    Looks like the peoples having money at Barclays should have a talk with their asset manager.
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  • Rob1C
    SemiAccurate had this to say about Xeon Skylake CPUs: https://semiaccurate.com/2017/07/19/skylake-sp-diverged-core/ - accusing Intel of stitching together it's CPU.

    Then a follow-up post was written: https://semiaccurate.com/2017/07/21/semiaccurate-skylake-sp-die-shots-sizes/ - unfortunately the second Article is short and reading all it requires a Subscription.

    PS: Website Guru: When posting a Comment there is often a Popup that says: "The form is not valid".
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  • Johnpombrio
    It all depends on AMD making a profit. It is great that AMD can come up with a way to interpose two CPUs together and that it costs less but that is not the issue. The real problem is to get companies to buy into AMD's solutions. Yes Tencents and others are offering AMD solutions to companies willing to buy the products and services but AMD has been out of the big boys market in servers since 2012. AMD may have the lowest cost solution but it does the company no good unless it can make a PROFIT. AMD has lost a half a billion dollars in the past 5 years and is still losing money every quarter. When it gets out of this hole, then is the time to celebrate AMD's accomplishments in technology.
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  • Kennyy Evony
    even AMD realized its pumping out junk so they are back to dumping price
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