AMD's Radeon Technology Group Is Reportedly Reducing Its Headcount in China
AMD is reportedly optimizing its workforce.
A recent rumor published by ICsmart.cn suggests imminent layoffs at the Chinese branches of major technology companies AMD and Qualcomm. AMD is rumored to be downsizing its workforce in China by 300-450 employees, primarily in the Chinese Radeon Technologies Group (RTG) department. Qualcomm is also allegedly on the verge of reducing its workforce in China, in line with an adjustment plan due to economic uncertainties.
Diving deeper into AMD's situation, the Shanghai R&D center has been at the forefront of AMD's operations in China since 2006. The unit has been quite instrumental in designing and developing a plethora of technologies and products, including Ryzen processors and Radeon graphics cards. The layoffs seem to be concentrated around the Radeon Technologies Group (RTG), though it seems that the number of people to be laid off is an overestimate. AMD employed some 9,500 people as of December 22, 2022, so laying off 450 people in China is a major development. In fact, it would be a significant reduction even companywide.
AMD's headcount is pretty lean, to put it mildly. The company's rival Nvidia employs some 23,200 people as of 2023, whereas Intel's headcount as of 2022 was 131,900. Laying off 300 – 450 people would have been a quite serious reduction for AMD. In fact, given the growth of its data center business, it would be logical to hire some additional people for this department. Furthermore, since AMD plans to take a chunk of the AI and HPC GPUs market, it would be logical to hire some extra people for this domain as well. Meanwhile, the company might be restructuring its RTG department, which might involve layoffs.
It should be noted that AMD's influence in China extends beyond its own operations, indirectly fueling the emergence and growth of Chinese GPU startups. Numerous professionals and experts in the GPU industry, nurtured in AMD's ecosystem, have become foundational pillars in China's burgeoning GPU companies. These talents play substantial roles in companies like Bitmain Technologies, TianShu ZhiXin, and more, bringing with them extensive experience and expertise from their tenures at AMD. Meanwhile, the American company is not in the business of nurturing rivals in China, especially if it involves leaking its own IP. That said, it would be reasonable for AMD to reduce its operations in China while expanding them elsewhere. Yet, it remains to be seen where potentially affected AMD employees will end up and whether they form any new GPU ventures.
As for Qualcomm, its anticipated layoffs are rumored to be part of a broader strategy to recalibrate its business approach amid ongoing economic uncertainties. While AMD's speculated layoffs revolve heavily around its RTG business unit, Qualcomm's adjustments seem to navigate the broader uncertainties of the wireless tech industry in general and smartphones in particular.
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bit_user I think they probably do a lot of the physical layout, routing, and placement in China, as those are typically labor-intensive activities and China has traditionally been a low-cost market for skilled workers. Over the years, I'm sure engineering salaries there have crept up. Furthermore, much of this work is now becoming increasingly automated.Reply
My sympathies to those employees affected. The economy in China isn't doing very well, lately. Hopefully, they can find jobs quickly. No matter what you think of geopolitics or trade relations between countries, it's still individual people's lives being upturned - that's not a good thing, no matter who or where they are.
Numerous professionals and experts in the GPU industry, nurtured in AMD's ecosystem, have become foundational pillars in China's burgeoning GPU companies. These talents play substantial roles in companies like Bitmain Technologies, TianShu ZhiXin, and more, bringing with them extensive experience and expertise from their tenures at AMD. Meanwhile, the American company is not in the business of nurturing rivals in China, especially if it involves leaking its own IP.
It's not only AMD. Nvidia, Intel, Qualcomm, and others have long had engineering workforces in mainland China. It's traditionally been an easy and inexpensive labor market for tech firms to grow their workforces. They have prioritized that above the long-term strategic threat of training up the competition. Plus, China has long played games around limiting access to their local markets, unless firms established local subsidiaries. Technology-transfer has been an openly-stated goal of such policies.
My own employer had an engineering office in Shanghai, until about 4 years ago. I'm sure the rising trade tensions played into their decision to close that office, but the strength of China's economy also factored into it. They lost their lease on their current office and the new location would've been too far for most existing employees to commute - I guess the real estate market was too hot for them to get anything closer? Meanwhile, our corporate overlords were leaning more in the direction of scaling up operations in India. -
Co BIY Amazing how they are operating with such a small global headcount. The productivity of modern corporations is amazing.Reply
Any business with any global reach would be crazy to not be investing in a presence in India right now. The growth opportunities are what China was in the 80s -90s, likely with much more upside and less political risk.
Most businesses are running very lean in the USA, Europe and Japan because the high labor costs are long standing. -
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We've seen a lot of turnover and there's a lot of competition for good talent, there. Consequently, salaries aren't as cheap as they were in China. My data on this is very stale (pre-pandemic), but one datapoint I had was of Indian engineers making up to 70% of a US-based equivalent.Co BIY said:Any business with any global reach would be crazy to not be investing in a presence in India right now. The growth opportunities are what China was in the 80s -90s, likely with much more upside and less political risk.
A funny story: one of our more recent Indian employees (as in, this year) was suspected of sub-contracting his work out to others. The quality wasn't great and dealing with him burnt lots of time & energy, as you might imagine.
As for political risk, it's definitely not on par with China, but not without issues. Press freedom, for one. Canada's presently dire relations with India highlights another set of issues. Yes, typically mild-mannered Canada. You'll have to read up on that, for the details.
Finally, don't think India is immune to its own protectionist tendencies.
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digitalgriffin That is a very significant reduction. I know rtg isn't really as profitable for AMD. So shifting resources to AI makes sense. If these employees are working on Navi 41 (canceled) that would also make sense. (I'm not going to talk about political motivations or IP ramifications)Reply
Either way it's not a good sign for things to come when it comes to GPUs. As much as I hate to say it "Come on Intel! Stay in the GPU race. This is your chance." -
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I want to see Alchemist+ happen. I'm tempted by the 16 GB A770, but I'm put off by things like the high idle power. Therefore, I'm hoping their refresh finally launches and fixes that. They did recently introduce some new PCIe device IDs, so it looks like Alchemist+ could still be gestating.digitalgriffin said:As much as I hate to say it "Come on Intel! Stay in the GPU race. This is your chance." -
hannibal AMD profit margins are much much less than Nvidia has, so either has to cut expenses or increase prices... This is their way!Reply
Intel is making no money at all with GPUs so... it is even worse. Either intel almost double the prices of Intel GPUs or give up... those are the two options for Intel... -
digitalgriffin hannibal said:AMD profit margins are much much less than Nvidia has, so either has to cut expenses or increase prices... This is their way!
Intel is making no money at all with GPUs so... it is even worse. Either intel almost double the prices of Intel GPUs or give up... those are the two options for Intel...
Amazon, Newegg, BestBuy and others wouldn't be around if it wasn't for the loss/break even models. It's a way to secure a dedicated customer base. -
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True, but Intel's investors only have so much patience.digitalgriffin said:Amazon, Newegg, BestBuy and others wouldn't be around if it wasn't for the loss/break even models. It's a way to secure a dedicated customer base.
More importantly, Intel is famous for its model of trying a new business or market niche and then cutting its losses after a couple generations. The examples are almost too numerous to list. In this way, it acts sort of like a venture capital firm, where these various projects are treated sort of like startup companies. I don't know how explicit they are, in that thinking, but I suspect the location of their Silicon Valley headquarters has overexposed them to the VC mindset.
The idea seems to be to get in relatively early on the next massive growth opportunity, like AI. However, Intel wasn't first to make it big off AI - that's been Nvidia. Furthermore, if Nvidia had Intel's limited attention span, they'd have dropped AI just around the time it was starting to heat up!