HSA Is About To Go Viral

The Heterogeneous System Architecture (HSA), which is already in use inside of select AMD processors is about to spread to the majority of smartphone devices on the market, as ARM, Imagination, and MediaTek incorporate support for HSA into their upcoming products.

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  • alanwu
    A technology of the future again.

    AMD said about the similar thing for GPGPU five years ago. I didn't see big progress yet.
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  • blazorthon
    A technology of the future again.

    AMD said about the similar thing for GPGPU five years ago. I didn't see big progress yet.

    Are you joking? GPGPU is huge and used almost everywhere from media creation/editing like Photoshop even into games with OpenCL lighting features.
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  • IInuyasha74
    A technology of the future again.

    AMD said about the similar thing for GPGPU five years ago. I didn't see big progress yet.

    Are you joking? GPGPU is huge and used almost everywhere from media creation/editing like Photoshop even into games with OpenCL lighting features.

    He is right, GPGPU is used significantly more now than it used to be and undergone a considerable amount of development.
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  • MotherBrain
    Does this mean AMD's cpu division might not die off on us? even if it is only in the phone/tablet sphere, I'd be glad to see them survive. Still, I can't help but dream about Intel getting some competition in the desktop world. Might be the smart move in the long run though, as I expect that 10-20 years from now home users will not use desktops for gaming.

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  • thor220
    Seems like a welcome boost for ARM. It'll probably amount to a greater speed increase then the last 10 years of intel processor development given their current rate.
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  • Alec Mowat
    Does this mean AMD's cpu division might not die off on us? even if it is only in the phone/tablet sphere, I'd be glad to see them survive. Still, I can't help but dream about Intel getting some competition in the desktop world. Might be the smart move in the long run though, as I expect that 10-20 years from now home users will not use desktops for gaming.


    Intel's desktop competition is ARM, and it has been for a long time. You just don't realize it yet.

    AMD just uses Intel's patent on x86, because of the popularity of IBM PC's back in the day.

    IBM doesn't even use Intel anymore.
    http://www-03.ibm.com/systems/power/hardware/s822/specs.html
    They sold their consumer server business to Lenova awhile back.
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  • jimmysmitty
    16741823 said:
    Seems like a welcome boost for ARM. It'll probably amount to a greater speed increase then the last 10 years of intel processor development given their current rate.

    Last 10 years? I wouldn't say that. In the last 10 years we had Core 2 and Sandy Bridge, both which were pretty big leaps.

    I would say more last 3-5 years as Intel hasn't had consistent or aggressive competition in the desktop or server market from AMD.

    The one problem ARM faces though is that it is a simplistic design which makes it very power efficient. The more complex they make it the less efficient it becomes. When they become as complex as x86 they will lose that advantage.

    That said, HSA is interesting but beyond hardware is software developers and that is where it will be hard to get them to accept it. GPGPU is huge in the design industry but very rarely used in gaming or much else, DX is still the majority holder for gaming.

    the idea is that if you can get mass adoption by the software developers you have pretty much won. If not, then you will lose.
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  • InvalidError
    16741630 said:
    Does this mean AMD's cpu division might not die off on us?
    ARM announcing that they will be integrating HSA support in their reference designs does not really help AMD since most companies designing and manufacturing ARM-based chips are competing against AMD in the mobile and (potentially) server space and use non-AMD IGPs, so no IGP/GPU IP-core sales there either.

    The only way this might help AMD a little is by seeding some extra interest in HSA on the x86 desktop side of things but that is not going to be anywhere near enough to save AMD on its own.
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  • xenol
    HSA only works well if the entire system's memory is unified. This works great for mobile because memory is unified by design. In desktops, it won't get headway beyond AMD's APUs, which can't compete in raw performance over a high end GPU. So if you're doing serious number crunching, stuffing everything onto the GPU is more than likely better than using an HSA based APU system (theoretically an R9 Fury is at least 8 times better than an APU, while consuming only about 2-3 times more power).

    AMD had great ideas here, but they sort of forgot that detail.
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  • InvalidError
    16744565 said:
    In desktops, it won't get headway beyond AMD's APUs, which can't compete in raw performance over a high end GPU.
    HSA's shared memory address space has implications well beyond sharing memory between the IGP and GPU: enabling any device to access any memory space has the potential to eliminate tons of redundant buffer copies between address spaces as data moves from user-land to hardware and back. Tighter communication between the IGP and CPU is only the beginning, sound, network, storage, etc. can all benefit from the reduced overhead opportunities too.

    In 2017, I expect to see AMD putting HBM on APUs. That should make APUs very interesting for mid-range gamers.
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