Whatsapp End-To-End Encrypted Messages May Be Next Privacy Battleground

The U.S. Department of Justice seems to already be eyeing the next major fight against encryption, and this time its target is Whatsapp, due to its adoption of end-to-end encryption.

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  • tom10167
    Faulting Telegram for not defaulting to E2E is something I'd expect to read from a Signal tweet. You open the app and you can either start a chat or start a secret chat, it's not like you need to dig through settings to check some obscure box.
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  • jasonkaler
    Not allowing encryption in whatsapp is a bit like gun control. It will only prevent legitimate use of a security measure, while the bad guys get their guns/comm app from somewhere else.
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  • uglyduckling81
    Not allowing encryption in whatsapp is a bit like gun control. It will only prevent legitimate use of a security measure, while the bad guys get their guns/comm app from somewhere else.
    Yeah that's the same argument we had from gun lobbyists in Australia before gun control happened. Then we implemented it and guess what... Not another mass killing in Australia since. Very little gun crime at all actually.
    Taking away guns doesn't increase gun crime and violence it reduces it, and reduces it dramatically.
    Australia proved it works so there is no point arguing against it.
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  • abbadon_34
    Not allowing encryption in whatsapp is a bit like gun control. It will only prevent legitimate use of a security measure, while the bad guys get their guns/comm app from somewhere else.
    Yeah that's the same argument we had from gun lobbyists in Australia before gun control happened. Then we implemented it and guess what... Not another mass killing in Australia since. Very little gun crime at all actually.
    Taking away guns doesn't increase gun crime and violence it reduces it, and reduces it dramatically.
    Australia proved it works so there is no point arguing against it.

    Wait a sec, so you are arguing AGAINST ENCRYPTION ?
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  • uglyduckling81
    Absolutely not. I'm just answering the inclusion of gun control into the reference material. Encryption should be made mandatory as far as I am concerned
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  • jasonkaler
    17662313 said:
    Not allowing encryption in whatsapp is a bit like gun control. It will only prevent legitimate use of a security measure, while the bad guys get their guns/comm app from somewhere else.
    Yeah that's the same argument we had from gun lobbyists in Australia before gun control happened. Then we implemented it and guess what... Not another mass killing in Australia since. Very little gun crime at all actually.
    Taking away guns doesn't increase gun crime and violence it reduces it, and reduces it dramatically.
    Australia proved it works so there is no point arguing against it.

    On the original topic of encryption: Would it still work if guns were freely available?
    I doubt it. removing encryption from whatsapp will not prevent encrypted communication.
    I also seriously doubt government officials are allowed to use non-encrypted channels.

    On gun control: Germany implemented gun control in 1938. This was followed by the execution of 11 million people.
    it wouldn't have been possible to march people off like sheep if they had the ability to fight back.
    As far as I know, Australia does not have any form of world domination agenda. Other countries do!

    The underlying question is: What is the intention behind the law?
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  • aldaia
    Despite that I'm a firearm owner and user, I'm all for strong and restrictive firearms control. Encription however is an entirely different issue.

    Not allowing encryption in whatsapp is a bit like gun control.
    I've never seen someone, who makes a legitimate use of encription, kill somebody by accident or as a result of a temporary rage. However, it is very easy for a legitimate gun owner to kill somebody by accident or as a result of a temporary rage.

    Yeah that's the same argument we had from gun lobbyists in Australia before gun control happened.
    Gun lobbyists fail to understand, that gun control dosn't forbide people the use and ownership of firearms, it actually ensures a legitimate use.
    Spain has a very restrictive firearms law, and still I own a firearm. Different types of licenses are required according to the type of weapon to be used. Only licensed gun owners are allowed to lawfully acquire, possess, or transfer a firearm or ammunition, and may only have ammunition that is suitable for the intended firearm. Applicants for a gun owner’s license are required to legally prove that they have a genuine reason to possess a firearm—for example, hunting, target shooting, collection, self-defense, or security.
    In order to obtain a firearms license, the applicant must:
    1) Submit an updated criminal background check and certification of good behavior. Background checks include consideration of domestic violence records.
    2) Pass a psycological aptitude test conducted in designated medical facilities, whose physicians send a final report to the competent authorities.
    3) Undergo theoretical and practical training and testing to ensure an understanding of firearms safety and applicable legal requirements.
    I bet most gun lobbyists will fail all three :D

    Taking away guns doesn't increase gun crime and violence it reduces it, and reduces it dramatically.
    Absolutely.
    I lived in the US before moving to Spain. Americans are not inherently more violent nor more mentally inestable than Spanish. However, the rate of deaths by firearms in Spain is 0.62 per 100,000, in the US is aproximately 17 times higher, the only explanation is easy gun access.

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  • videobear
    Your arguments completely ignore the many studies that have shown that in states that have adopted concealed carry laws, crimes involving firearms have markedly decreased. When criminals know their potential victims might defend themselves, they are deterred.

    This does not, of course, address the issue of mentally disturbed people having easy access to firearms...which is is usual cause of mass shooting incidents. I am all for mental health checks, criminal background checks, and required firearms training...we don't let people use that other lethal weapon, the automobile, without training. Why not firearms? However, having passed the above, I am totally against having to show "need" to own a firearm to some government agency. If you are sane and competent, you have a right to own a firearm. At least in the USA.

    But encryption is our issue here. Here's another instance of the government wanting to curtail individual rights and invade their privacy in the name of "security." The government has yet to show where having the ability to snoop on its citizens has prevented a terrorist attack. The individual has an absolute right to privacy. If Apple and Whatsapp and others can provide that, more power to them.
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  • aldaia
    5th message and we are already playing the nazi card. We propably broke the world record of Godwin's law :D

    17662824 said:
    Germany implemented gun control in 1938. This was followed by the execution of 11 million people. it wouldn't have been possible to march people off like sheep if they had the ability to fight back.
    ?
    Things are not that simple:
    ■ In 1933, persecution of the Jews became an active Nazi policy, Jews became Untermensch
    ■ The Sturmabteilung (SA), the paramilitary Brownshirts had ample acces to weapons, that didn't prevent them from being seized and executed diring the Night of the Long Knives in 1934.
    ■ In 1935 the Reich Citizenship Law was passed. Jews where no longer German citizens. This meant that they had no basic civil rights.
    ■ In 1936, Jews were banned from all professional jobs.All this happened before implementing the 1938 gun control.

    After 1945 gun control in West Germany became even stricter than under the Nazi regime, since then no other people where executed (excepting war criminals). Today Germany is one of the safest countries in the world. The execution of 11 million people has a lot to do with a particular regime and nothing with firearms control.

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  • turkey3_scratch
    17662241 said:
    Not allowing encryption in whatsapp is a bit like gun control. It will only prevent legitimate use of a security measure, while the bad guys get their guns/comm app from somewhere else.

    There are much better measures against crime than no gun control. Things like people marrying earlier, having less parks, less teenagers working, less protein-rich diets for later puberty, increasing the drivers license age, having less people in mobility, urbanizing more areas.
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