Nvidia's Kepler to Arrive in 2012
Nvidia will release its next-generation graphics cards later than expected.
Ken Brown, a spokesman for Nvidia, told X-bit Labs that Kepler silicon will be available this year, but now it seems production of graphic cards will not happen until 2012. So far, we have been under the impression that Kepler cards could be arriving just in time for Christmas, even if Nvidia already had said at the International Supercomputing Conference in June that the new cards may be delayed by a month or two.
Kepler will be succeeding the Fermi architecture and use a 28 nm production process. There have been rumors that Nvidia is struggling with the 28 nm production and that manufacturing is causing the delay. Of course, Nvidia isn't commenting on the delay and no chip manufacturer would ever give a statement on yield issues anyway. However, Nvidia is under pressure of getting Kepler out on time and especially get to Kepler right. (The current Fermi architecture was delayed several times and had a less than perfect launch.)
According to information released by Nvidia so far, Kepler cards will triple the dual-precision floating point performance of Fermi and hit up to 6 dp GFlops, while its successor Maxwell (scheduled for a 2013 release) is expected to with almost 16 dp GFlops. These are big promises and Nvidia wouldn't want to miss them.
...sigh,
You left out a small yet crucial piece of information that completely changes the meaning of this last paragraph. Per W. Nvidia says Kepler will triple the double precision performance per Watt over Fermi, they've never said anything about a flat out tripling in dp performance.
/Thinking ahead to Maxwell or post-SI as next upgrade cycle.
I'm hating all these AMD/Radeon fanbois talking all this nonsense about the HD 7xxx series.
(nVidia: the way it's meant to be played...)
...sigh,
You left out a small yet crucial piece of information that completely changes the meaning of this last paragraph. Per W. Nvidia says Kepler will triple the double precision performance per Watt over Fermi, they've never said anything about a flat out tripling in dp performance.
/Thinking ahead to Maxwell or post-SI as next upgrade cycle.
http://semiaccurate.com/2011/07/05/nvidias-kepler-comes-in-to-focus/
I know you guys hate him, but he was correct with Fermi. Anand is also running an article saying the same.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4572/kepler-gpus-shipping-this-year-nvidia-says-yes
Remember that for each respin of silicon, you'll need to tack on another 6 weeks or so. If tape out happened in June, the first respin won't be done until mid July at the earliest, probably more like August sometime. IF that one is the one they want to run with, production is 3mo, so they could have something ready by Nov. Nvidia has already said it's not happening, so the leakage much be bad.
I'd like to point out there seems to be an issue with the S/A article. He keeps going on about 2.5x the number of transistors, but I think he missed something. S/A quote.
That doesn't quite match what Anand reported.
I added the bold part as I think this is what Nvidia meant. I think Charlie missed that. Other then that error, I don't think you'll be seeing Kepler for sale until H1 2012. Right now it depends on how many respins they need to fix their leakage problem.
Law of Diminishing Returns
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diminishing_returns
i hope the cards are good, might upgrade my aging 9600GT finally...i just hope a smaller architecture means less heat, and consume less power...
Hope they're cheaper than fermi at launch
I'd rather wait a bit longer and get good durability, usability, and reliability than get a product that was rushed to market plagued with problems.
I'd expect nothing less out of Demerjian...
a good article on the issues that tsmc is having...
http://news.softpedia.com/news/AMD-Southern-Islands-and-Nvidia-Kepler-May-Use-Different-28nm-Processes-Report-212552.shtml
i hope the cards are good, might upgrade my aging 9600GT finally...i just hope a smaller architecture means less heat, and consume less power...
What are you smoking? Who said anything about a smaller arch? I'm sure Nvidia is piling more shaders into their chip, so even with the die shrink I bet it will be larger then Fermi.
Sometimes your hatred of a company means you miss things. Good thing I don't hate Nvidia, just dislike them
http://news.softpedia.com/news/AMD [...] 2552.shtml
Interesting, though I'm not sure it explains the issues TSMC is having. I wonder after reading that however if this means AMD will have clock speed with their cards. Low power usually equals lower clocks as well. I wonder how this will impact AMD.
a good article on the issues that tsmc is having...
http://news.softpedia.com/news/AMD [...] 2552.shtml
Interesting, though I'm not sure it explains the issues TSMC is having. I wonder after reading that however if this means AMD will have clock speed with their cards. Low power usually equals lower clocks as well. I wonder how this will impact AMD.
It depend on how long time it will take Nvidia to get Kepler right with more advanced technology. If they are lucky. Nvidia has much better GPU this time. If they are unlucky, the AMD is ready for their 8xxxx series when TMSC finally manage to make desent chips to Nvidia...
They don't use that much power when idle. I like new video chips, I can use them to encode video faster and to run folding@home/seti@home for science. Plus it makes all the cooler running chipsets cheaper.
Besides, anything you've described could be done with a much more reasonable GPU like a Radeon 6850 or below....
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owait, GaAs contains extraordinarily high levels of impurities in relation to silicon and thus cannot be manufactured past a 500 nm node, not to mention gallium is rarer than gold and arsenic is very toxic and a carcinogen.
nvm
nVidia, you do good job, keep going with your Kepler stuff.
(P.S. GaAs is just plain BA. The Cray 3 ran off of it, and it can support frequencies up to 250 GHz)