Intel's Six-Core i5-9400F Skips Solder TIM, for Now (Updated)

Update 2/6/2019: Intel confirmed to us that some Core i5-9400F processors do come with pTIM (polymer TIM - a.k.a. thermal grease), but that can vary based on the location of manufacturing.

Sources close to the matter also tell us that the company will transition the Core i5-9400F and Core i5-9400 models to solder TIM (sTIM) entirely in the near future. Naturally, that means there will be no need to differentiate between the two products on the packaging. All "K" series models in the Core i9 and i7 series will continue to come with sTIM, as well. We also learned that the company will use pTIM for all Core i3 "F" series models indefinitely.

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  • panathas
    Intel seems to be using solder TIM for all the new 8-core dies and it is still using thermal grease for the old 6-core (defective?) dies that has kept in stock.
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  • bobba84
    TWERPS!
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  • seanmcc
    Is using thermal grease that significant a cost saving measure? I believe that it saves cash, but is the difference that significant? For all the r and d and fab complexity that goes into these chips, it seems like a rather small and petty way to save few bucks for such significant thermal benefits.
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  • mischon123
    Paste is expensive. Its 1/3 the price of a watercooler for your chip.
    Cheap paste and watercooler keeps your chip running at 40-45 Celsius. My R1800x does.
    Hot running Intel chips developing cracks is a no go. Having to overamp your chips right out of the factory to compete is an engineering flaw, among others.
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  • photonboy
    Mischon123,
    Paste is 1/3 the price of a liquid cooler?
    First off, we are talking about TIM in between the CPU chip and the heat spreader. You'd need to DELID to see it.

    Anyway, nobody knows why Intel is avoiding solder. You can read this but really nobody knows: https://venturebeat.com/2018/10/08/intel-solder-9900k-i9/

    I will say Intel Engineers aren't stupid. It's also not that costly in terms of profit margins. Micro-cracks don't seem like much of an issue as they solder Xeons for servers. So the above suggestion it's about conflict-free materials by the process of elimination may be true. So maybe they just used solder now temporarily for the worst offenders temperature wise and will stop using it again soon.
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  • photonboy
    "Of course, when you punch out north of a million die per day like Intel does, even a 1% increase in failure rates equates to a huge hit to the bottom line. "

    Uh... if they made a BILLION per day it would still be the same low failure rate.
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  • rantoc
    So a chip that's defective (gpu) slammed together with sub-pair thermal transfer vs the proper chip... and sold at the same price as the full "proper" chip.

    Yeah, if i bought that by mistake i knew what greedy company i would be avoiding!
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  • mischon123
    @rantoc: You are definitely on to what constitutes a consumer grade Intel chip. Its most likley a yield problem of epic proportions. 3 out of 4 dies are defective...This is my conservative estimate.
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  • justin.m.beauvais
    Those two dies are different sizes... whaaaaaaaaaat?

    Does this mean that the 9600K is a defective 9700K? Or does it mean that there is simply NO graphics (as in missing, not disabled) on the F chips?
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  • Olle P
    This was only to be expected for these lower TDP CPUs.

    21739900 said:
    ... Micro-cracks don't seem like much of an issue as they solder Xeons for servers. ...
    Intel's claim (summarized): "Micro-cracks occur due to (repeated and) rapid variations in temperature."
    How are Xeons run? Typically at stable loads and temperatures 24/7.
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