iPhone 6s: Samsung And TSMC A9 SoCs Tested

Now that the veil of secrecy surrounding the iPhone 6s and 6s Plus has lifted, some interesting details have emerged. One of the more tantalizing discoveries was made by Chipworks, when it revealed that Apple is dual-sourcing its A9 SoC (System on a Chip) from Samsung and TSMC.

Sourcing components from multiple vendors is a common practice among OEMs, especially for memory chips such as RAM and NAND. Apple routinely dual-sources the IPS screens for its iPhones, and Samsung frequently uses entirely different SoCs, camera sensors, and baseband processors, which differ in performance and features, in its smartphones depending on which region they're sold.

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  • Pei-chen
    Good review and write up. I have the same exactly thought when "the news break" that some YouTuber find one phone with a TSMC A9 lasts longer than the one with Samsung A9. Putting aside the problem with sample-size-of-1, those YouTuber have no idea how binning works and assumes all TSMC/Samsung chips are exactly the same. Those of us that've been around Tom's and Anand's a long time knows even two identically binned chips would show difference in power draw and those clueless YouTuber have no idea.

    Add in the fact the boards are full of chips, battery at 100% still draw power and screen at same brightness will have different power draw it is safe to say difference between TSMC and Samsung A9s are overblown.
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  • kawininjazx
    No one believes me when I tell them Samsung makes apples CPU
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  • nitrium
    "extending battery life between 3.5-10.8 percent. This is a little more than the 2-3 percent quoted by Apple, but not much, and it equates to only about 5-15 minutes of runtime under the most extreme conditions."

    Well it's roughly 100-200% more than what Apple quoted - that is quite a lot different isn't it? And 5-15% under extreme conditions doesn't seem like much, but how much more is it under typical workloads? Wouldn't that equate to be as much as an hour of extra battery over the day if you get a Samsung manufactured A9?
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  • hannibal
    Also one other site did test that TSMC battery lasted longer, so there is definitely differences between CPUs. So silicon lottery...
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  • Just what I needed to know.
    iPhone 4: if u hold it a certain way, u lost most of ur signal.
    iPhone 6: bends if u put it in ur jean pocket.
    iPhone 6s: CPU-maker luck-of-the-draw affects battery life.
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  • MobileEditor
    Just what I needed to know.
    iPhone 4: if u hold it a certain way, u lost most of ur signal.
    iPhone 6: bends if u put it in ur jean pocket.
    iPhone 6s: CPU-maker luck-of-the-draw affects battery life.

    Well, it's still better than the Samsung camera lottery :) All of the latest Galaxy phones come with either a Sony or Samsung made rear camera sensor that are supposed to be equivalent. In our Galaxy S6 review, however, we show that there's a notable difference between them.

    - Matt Humrick, Mobile Editor, Tom's Hardware
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  • MobileEditor
    "extending battery life between 3.5-10.8 percent. This is a little more than the 2-3 percent quoted by Apple, but not much, and it equates to only about 5-15 minutes of runtime under the most extreme conditions."

    Well it's roughly 100-200% more than what Apple quoted - that is quite a lot different isn't it? And 5-15% under extreme conditions doesn't seem like much, but how much more is it under typical workloads? Wouldn't that equate to be as much as an hour of extra battery over the day if you get a Samsung manufactured A9?

    No, I do not consider 5-15 minutes after 80-100% discharge to be a lot. Also, this is a worst-case scenario where the CPU or GPU runs at max frequency all the time. During normal use, the CPU/GPU will be at their idle frequencies most of the time. Because of the nonlinear relationship between voltage and frequency, the difference should be less than what we measured during normal operation, which is the scenario Apple claims only shows a 2-3% difference. If that's true, then a use case where the battery lasts 8 hours would show about a 15 minute advantage. In the Basemark OS II test where the CPU is at max frequency for the duration of the test, there's only a 20 minute difference until the battery is depleted (extrapolating from where the test ends with 20% battery remaining).

    Unfortunately, our iOS test suite does not contain any tests that mimic a real-world usage scenario. I did perform a simple 1080p H.264 video playback test and saw a 2-3% advantage for the TSMC A9. This is not necessarily applicable to the CPU, however, because I believe the A9 uses a fixed-function hardware block for video decoding that would use a different transistor type optimized for lower frequency operation.

    - Matt Humrick, Mobile Editor, Tom's Hardware
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  • Chris Droste
    "extending battery life between 3.5-10.8 percent. This is a little more than the 2-3 percent quoted by Apple, but not much, and it equates to only about 5-15 minutes of runtime under the most extreme conditions."

    Well it's roughly 100-200% more than what Apple quoted - that is quite a lot different isn't it? And 5-15% under extreme conditions doesn't seem like much, but how much more is it under typical workloads? Wouldn't that equate to be as much as an hour of extra battery over the day if you get a Samsung manufactured A9?

    most smartphones average between 5.5 and 6.5hours of on screen time with app, text, email, and talk usage in the real world. even if you had a "golden sample" you're not likely to get more than 7hours in practical use, and that will vary downward in most cases. The result? you'd have to use your "special" iPhone 6S like your grandparents who don't even know what a mobile app is to reap anything truly noteworthy. If you really must have battery life, Verizon will be happy to sell you a Droid XXX Turbo/super/special/R/S MAXX phone with massive battery.
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  • Sywofp
    One thing - why didn't you guys test using the Geekbench battery life benchmark?

    Considering it is the one that started this whole debate, it seems like it would be the first test to run...

    Arstechnica found similar results to yours, except for Geekbench, where the Samsung performed a lot worse.

    So the important question IMO, is why that benchmark gets such a big difference, and does it reflect any real world usage scenarios - even if not experience by most people.
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  • MobileEditor
    One thing - why didn't you guys test using the Geekbench battery life benchmark?

    Considering it is the one that started this whole debate, it seems like it would be the first test to run...

    Arstechnica found similar results to yours, except for Geekbench, where the Samsung performed a lot worse.

    So the important question IMO, is why that benchmark gets such a big difference, and does it reflect any real world usage scenarios - even if not experience by most people.

    We did not run the Geekbench battery test because it's not part of our usual test suite, and we're not familiar enough with how it works or with the accuracy of its results.

    I saw the Ars Technica article. It seems a bit odd that every test except Geekbench battery shows minimal difference, while Geekbench shows a 20+% gap. This is a red flag to me that something might not be working right with this test and is another reason we did not include those results.

    - Matt Humrick, Mobile Editor, Tom's Hardware
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