Razer Green Switches: Don't Call Them Kailh

There aren't that many mechanical keyboard switches on the market. Cherry and Kailh switches are by far the most ubiquitous, but there are several others that you'll bump into, as well. Greetech and TTC are two switch makers that we've seen on shipping products recently, and some keyboard OEMs have also begun crafting their own, including Logitech G's Romer switches, EpicGear's EG switches and Razer's Green (and Orange) switches.

Tackling Misconceptions

Latest Videos FromTom's Hardware

Seth Colaner previously served as News Director at Tom's Hardware. He covered technology news, focusing on keyboards, virtual reality, and wearables.

  • M0j0jojo
    The question is how much of this is in demand. and is it worth so much research and development. I honestly just use a Dell keyboard, and a Microsoft mouse, and still have fun with games.
    Reply
  • Ludovic Gauthier
    #‎sponsored‬

    Stll the cherry are more reliable and better build quality.
    Reply
  • InvalidError
    17215888 said:
    I honestly just use a Dell keyboard, and a Microsoft mouse, and still have fun with games.
    The primary target audience for premium gaming keyboards is competitive gamers where every millisecond they can shave between scene output from the game engine to the GPU for rendering and user response matters - shaving a millisecond here and there might not make much of a difference individually but 20ms or more cumulatively certainly will.

    For more casual types, like you or me, even a 10-15 years old membrane keyboard like the one I am using right now still gets the job done.
    Reply
  • Quixit
    17215888 said:
    I honestly just use a Dell keyboard, and a Microsoft mouse, and still have fun with games.
    The primary target audience for premium gaming keyboards is competitive gamers where every millisecond they can shave between scene output from the game engine to the GPU for rendering and user response matters - shaving a millisecond here and there might not make much of a difference individually but 20ms or more cumulatively certainly will.

    For more casual types, like you or me, even a 10-15 years old membrane keyboard like the one I am using right now still gets the job done.

    Realistically, where it makes the biggest difference is touch typing. If you do a lot of typing a mechanical keyboard that has one of the switch types that activates before the key bottoms out is much easier on your hands. I bought a Razer Blackwidow right after they came out to replace a massively old IBM-branded mechanical keyboard I was using for programming. Other than the advantage of a higher activation point they come in a few different tactile feels so you can get the one you personally like, which is nice and they're extremely durable. I'm convinced that I'll wear though the keycaps on this one (the same Razer Blackwidow) before the switches wear out.

    The whole "mechanical keyboards for gaming" is mostly marketing. In fact, large numbers of pro gamers use membrane keyboards (which is one reason why Logitech, Razer and the other gamer-focused keyboard brands all make membrane keyboards for gaming).

    So just buy whatever you want, if you plan on having it a long time the durability of the mechanical switches does offset their price but if you the feel of a membrane keyboard you can afford to replace it more often at the same cost.
    Reply
  • wkwilley2
    17215888 said:
    I honestly just use a Dell keyboard, and a Microsoft mouse, and still have fun with games.
    The primary target audience for premium gaming keyboards is competitive gamers where every millisecond they can shave between scene output from the game engine to the GPU for rendering and user response matters - shaving a millisecond here and there might not make much of a difference individually but 20ms or more cumulatively certainly will.

    For more casual types, like you or me, even a 10-15 years old membrane keyboard like the one I am using right now still gets the job done.

    Realistically, where it makes the biggest difference is touch typing. If you do a lot of typing a mechanical keyboard that has one of the switch types that activates before the key bottoms out is much easier on your hands. I bought a Razer Blackwidow right after they came out to replace a massively old IBM-branded mechanical keyboard I was using for programming. Other than the advantage of a higher activation point they come in a few different tactile feels so you can get the one you personally like, which is nice and they're extremely durable. I'm convinced that I'll wear though the keycaps on this one (the same Razer Blackwidow) before the switches wear out.

    The whole "mechanical keyboards for gaming" is mostly marketing. In fact, large numbers of pro gamers use membrane keyboards (which is one reason why Logitech, Razer and the other gamer-focused keyboard brands all make membrane keyboards for gaming).

    So just buy whatever you want, if you plan on having it a long time the durability of the mechanical switches does offset their price but if you the feel of a membrane keyboard you can afford to replace it more often at the same cost.

    I agree completely and even though I'm typing this on a mechanical keyboard right now, I prefer a decent membrane keyboard for gaming, especially since my wife goes to sleep much earlier than I on the weekends......
    Reply
  • stoned_ritual
    The gaming market has become the new audiophile market. Full of snake oil, overpriced dollar store variety parts, and marketing hype. I fall victim to this marketing as well, and it leaves a bitter taste when you purchase a product that is marketed as "premium" but is made with cheap materials that were assembled in a border-line sweatshop.
    Reply
  • Cons29
    I do hope they produce good keyboards (my first mech was a razer blackwidow, I think it was their first ever)
    they have some good products (reliability is a suspect - mouse) but they do have premium price unfortunately
    Reply
  • alextheblue
    I do hope they produce good keyboards (my first mech was a razer blackwidow, I think it was their first ever)
    they have some good products (reliability is a suspect - mouse) but they do have premium price unfortunately
    Agreed on Razer mice reliability. For that reason more than any other (even than price) I typically recommend a higher-end Logitech for gaming. For any other use, generally a more affordable Logitech or MS mouse is fine.
    #?sponsored?

    Stll the cherry are more reliable and better build quality.

    Hah maybe so, hard to say with a Razer-provided sample size of 1. But it sounds like they're taking quality seriously and I am glad to hear that they're NOT just "rebadged Kailh" switches. Although that brings up another point... if standard Kailh switches (that we see in more designs lately) are so great, why would Razer go to all the trouble? I'm with Razer, I'll skip the Kailh switches. :P

    I'd like to see how Logitech's in house switches perform too - are they just cutting costs or are they doing something similar to Razer in terms of quality control and separate assembly lines.
    Reply
  • scolaner
    I do hope they produce good keyboards (my first mech was a razer blackwidow, I think it was their first ever)
    they have some good products (reliability is a suspect - mouse) but they do have premium price unfortunately
    Agreed on Razer mice reliability. For that reason more than any other (even than price) I typically recommend a higher-end Logitech for gaming. For any other use, generally a more affordable Logitech or MS mouse is fine.
    #?sponsored?

    Stll the cherry are more reliable and better build quality.

    Hah maybe so, hard to say with a Razer-provided sample size of 1. But it sounds like they're taking quality seriously and I am glad to hear that they're NOT just "rebadged Kailh" switches. Although that brings up another point... if standard Kailh switches (that we see in more designs lately) are so great, why would Razer go to all the trouble? I'm with Razer, I'll skip the Kailh switches. :P

    I'd like to see how Logitech's in house switches perform too - are they just cutting costs or are they doing something similar to Razer in terms of quality control and separate assembly lines.

    Why did Razer go to the trouble? They wanted to make something a little different. As I explained. (Whether or not it makes much of a difference is, I believe, still up for debate.) I don't think Razer has anything against Kailh switches -- they trust Kailh as a manufacturing partner, after all.

    Regarding Logitech's switches:

    http://www.tomshardware.com/news/logitech-g-g-labs-testing-facility,28096.html

    http://www.tomshardware.com/news/logitech-g910-orion-spark-romer-g,28101.html
    Reply
  • scolaner
    #?sponsored?

    Stll the cherry are more reliable and better build quality.

    You're making two significant assertions one short comment.

    Regarding the first: You're simply incorrect. Regarding the second: How did you arrive at this conclusion?
    Reply