AMD's new Zen 5 flagship gets benchmarked — Ryzen 9 9950X Engineering Sample isn't as impressive in Blender at maximum power settings

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Since our last AMD Ryzen 9 9950X ES leaked benchmarks story, AnandTech forum member Igor_Kavinsky has continued posting new Engineering Sample benchmarks in his original thread. The enthusiast has now undertaken 253W PPT and "Unlimited" Package Power Tracking (PPT) testing. This is in addition to the previously-covered 90W, 120W, 160W, and 230W PPT results we've covered. We've also included our own Ryzen 9 7950X benchmarking results for a quick comparison with the newer chip.  

In our last article on these benchmarks, we noted that the Ryzen 9 9950X seems to boast significant efficiency improvements over the Ryzen 9 7950X, not just higher performance in general. In particular, it was noted that the Ryzen 9 9950X seems capable of outperforming the Ryzen 9 7950X even when operating at a lower maximum wattage. It also remained fairly competitive with the 170W Ryzen 7950X at wattages as low as 120W.

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  • TerryLaze
    Admin said:
    An AMD Ryzen 9 9950X ES gets a full suite of Blender benchmarks at different PPT/TDP targets.

    AMD's new Zen 5 flagship gets benchmarked — Ryzen 9 9950X Engineering Sample isn't as impressive in Blender at maximum power settings : Read more
    It also remained fairly competitive with the 170W Ryzen 7950X at wattages as low as 120W.
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    *Author's Note: My prior article on this topic referred to these power targets as "TDP" instead of "PPT". These are...
    mostly the same thing, but whereas TDP (Thermal Design Power) refers to the CPU's power target, PPT (Package Power Tracking) refers to all power being directed to the CPU socket, and adjustments change the maximum wattage to the socket, and thus real TDP is lower. "Unlimited PPT" allows for as much wattage as the CPU and socket can support.
    Not just the prior article...the 7950x has a TDP of 170W and a PPT of 230W.
    So roughly a 30% increase in performance for the same power, not bad at all.

    But apparently also no overclocking headroom at all since AMD maxed it out as much as possible already.
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  • usertests
    Blender was supposed to be one of the best-case scenarios for Zen 5, something to keep in mind.
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  • thisisaname
    Wonder what is the bottle neck in the system if more power does little to increase performance?

    Is it as TerryLaze says and they do not have any overclocking head room left?
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  • SunMaster
    thisisaname said:
    Is it as @TerryLaze says and they do not have any overclocking head room left?

    Given what is happening to the higher end 13k/14k series CPUs, perhaps Intel didn't have headroom either.
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  • NinoPino
    Apparently <6 Ghz is becoming a hard limit for actual technology, very interesting to see.
    They need to work hard on architectures and IPC.
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  • Thunder64
    NinoPino said:
    Apparently <6 Ghz is becoming a hard limit for actual technology, very interesting to see.
    They need to work hard on architectures and IPC.

    Similar things had been said about 4GHz. We shall see what the future holds.
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  • NinoPino
    Thunder64 said:
    Similar things had been said about 4GHz. We shall see what the future holds.
    Looks like we'll stay glued to high 5 Ghz for 3 Intels generations (13, 14, 15th) and 2 AMD generations (7000 / 9000).
    Not happened very often.
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  • thestryker
    Deleted member 2824971 said:
    I'd love to know if the CCDs have been maintained at similar size even with the process shrink, just to maintain enough cooling surface.
    TSMC N4 is a refinement of N5 so even if the chips were roughly the same transistor wise they aren't likely much smaller if at all. If I'm remembering the numbers correctly it's a single digit percentage density improvement over N5.
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  • TerryLaze
    SunMaster said:
    Given what is happening to the higher end 13k/14k series CPUs, perhaps Intel didn't have headroom either.
    I believe the issues are purely due to mobos pushing way too much Vcore into the CPUs in an attempts to make auto clocks more stable at higher clocks.
    If you tune it yourself or get a mobo that doesn't push everything to 11 from the get go you would have no issues.
    Also if AMD doesn't come out pre release and forces mobo makers to use safe settings the same will happen for them, now that the node has become good enough to use high values.

    Also unlimited PPT = 318W pretty much in line with what the 14th gen draws unlimited, and it shows that it's PBO which is overclocking just like all core enhancement (and all the equivalents) on intel, I wonder how the reviewers are going to spin this into a positive for amd while keeping it a negative for intel.
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  • SunMaster
    TerryLaze said:
    I believe the issues are purely due to mobos pushing way too much Vcore into the CPUs in an attempts to make auto clocks more stable at higher clocks.
    If you tune it yourself or get a mobo that doesn't push everything to 11 from the get go you would have no issues.
    Also if AMD doesn't come out pre release and forces mobo makers to use safe settings the same will happen for them, now that the node has become good enough to use high values.
    You seem to believe the motherboards are breaking them, by using far to agressive voltages. As did most people, myself included.

    Looking at all the info that has been appearing the last few days I believe a great number of these CPUs are going to break by operating fully within Intel's spec. Buildzoid had a rant about it, lengthy as usual. I believe he could be onto something.
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