Is your Intel Core i9-13900K crashing in games? Your motherboard BIOS settings may be to blame — other high-end Intel CPUs also affected (Updated)
Apparently a 4096W power limit might be a bad idea.
Increasing numbers of users of the Core i9-13900K and Core i7-13700K have reported crashes in some of the latest games, usually accompanied by an out of video memory error. It's not just random end-users either: Our GPU reviewer has personally dealt with this, as has Hassan Mujtaba from WCCFTech. There's a Steam forum thread on the subject as well. Considering Intel's processors are some of the best CPUs for gaming, it's a particularly painful problem when things go amiss.
Update: We've reached out to Intel for comment, and the official response was: "Intel is aware of reports regarding Intel Core 13th and 14th Gen unlocked desktop processors experiencing issues with certain workloads. We’re engaged with our partners and are conducting analysis of the reported issues." Hopefully, things get sorted sooner than later. Also, games that use Oodle are routinely impacted by affected processors, and Oodle released a statement with additional details on the problem.
Our GPU reviewer has been dealing with the matter over the past year, and managed to get his particular setup working after tweaking BIOS settings. His motherboard's default settings don't work properly, after loading the default optimized BIOS settings. That's with a Core i9-13900K, and while most reports concern the 13900K and 13700K thus far, the Core i9-14900K and Core i7-14700K may also be affected given they're basically the same silicon.
Complaints about stability issues on the 13900K and 13700K aren't exactly widespread, but have become particularly concentrated on a handful of games, specifically for those with shader compilation. It's not even just a rumor going around on forums as at least two developers and Nvidia itself have explicitly identified that the "out of video memory error." You would normally think this is a GPU issue, but it's actually related to 13th Gen CPUs.
Gearbox and Fatshark, which develop Remnant 2 and Vermintide 2 respectively, have both noted these very issues and have narrowed them down to the 13900K, and also the 13700K according to Fatshark. Gearbox even says, "If you experience this problem, you will likely also see it in other DX12 games," which is to say that it's not an issue specific to Remnant 2. The issue isn't even that new, as Gearbox's warnings were made back in August.
Our own Jarred Walton has seen the problem in quite a few games: Alan Wake 2, Hogwarts Legacy, Horizon Zero Dawn, Immortals of Aveum, Metro Exodus Enhanced Edition, and The Last of Us, Part 1 to name specific examples. Hogwarts, Horizon, and The Last of Us are all particularly painful examples in his case, and at 'stock' settings would crash during the shader compilation process probably over 90% of the time. So what's going on?
For its part, Nvidia told a user that, "Despite the game saying the issue is with your VRAM... Unreal Engine 5 games seem to have some issues with this particular model (and possibly other 13th-generation Intel CPUs)."
Nvidia and the two developers have all recommended that users who experience these crashes on the 13900K and other CPUs downclock their chips by up to 200MHz. That's a bit of a hack workaround, however, with the obvious downside of reducing performance. But we and others have found some other solutions that seem to work just as well.
The root cause of these issues isn't fully clear. Our own experience — with a sample size of one — is that it could be related to high default power and current limits that some motherboards may use, coupled with the default loadline calibration for voltages. Keep in mind that power, current, voltage, and frequency are all interrelated, so changes to one can affect the others. Underclocking, undervolting, or power/current limiting the CPU all appear to be viable workarounds.
Intel's default maximum TDP for the 13900K is 253 watts, though it can easily consume 300 watts or more when given a higher power limit. In our testing, manually setting the power limit to 275–300 watts and the amperage limit to 350A, proved to be stable for our 13900K. That required going into the advanced CPU settings in the BIOS to change the PL1/PL2 limits — called short and long duration power limits in our particular case. The motherboard's default "Auto" power and current limits have instability issues on our sample — which correspond to a power limit of 4,096 watts and 512 amps.
As another alternative, tweaking the Load Line Calibration (LLC) to increase voltages can help. Loadline calibration is related to the amount of voltage supplied under lighter loads, and the idea here is that the motherboard vendors may be undershooting on voltage in some cases (i.e. to keep temperatures down), leading to instability. Again, with our own 'problem' CPU sample on an MSI board, going into the advanced CPU settings and then changing CPU Like Load Control from 'Normal' to 'Advanced' exposes two additional settings: CPU AC Loadline and CPU DC Loadline. The default Auto setting used a value of 50 for AC on our system and 80 for DC. We bumped the AC up to 70 (without the decreased power and current limits) and it also seems to be stable.
Others have reportedly had success by undervolting their CPUs. Again, P = IV (power equals current times voltage), so changing one of those can potentially do the trick. Power, current, and voltage can also scale with frequency, and thus Nvidia's suggestion to underclock by 200 MHz likely also works for many who are affected by this particular issue. But if the heart of the problem is insufficient voltage (see LLC above), undervolting may only exacerbate the issue.
Note that you can use tools like Intel's Extreme Tuning Utility to change these settings within Windows. The end result is the same, though we prefer tweaking the BIOS rather than XTU as the changes saved there are permanent and don't require installing any extra software.
With past Intel CPUs, setting a TDP or amperage absurdly high generally didn't make a difference, as complex frequency boosting rules determine how much actual power and current are used. There are protection mechanisms to prevent a CPU from damaging itself. However, the 13900K in combination with certain BIOS settings appears to be more temperamental than prior chips, at least in our experience.
Given our success with altering the default BIOS settings, it seems the crux of the matter is what settings Intel's motherboard partners should be using. There's always been quite a bit of latitude given to the partners in the past, and in combination with the so-called silicon lottery, settings that may work fine on some chips may not work properly on all chips. We've heard of people who have RMA'ed one 13900K and received a different chip that then worked fine as an example.
Ultimately, Intel's Raptor Lake CPUs can pull a lot of power in pursuit of maximum performance. With settings that might be just a touch too aggressive, e.g. on loadline calibration, that could result in instability. One benefit of the reduced power and current limits is that they dropped maximum CPU temperatures by about 10C — we were routinely hitting up to 100C when the crashing problems occurred. That's not actually too hot based on Intel's official specs, but fluctuations in voltage at the same time might push things to the breaking point.
If you're using a 13th or 14th Gen Core i9 or i7 and you're experiencing these crashes with certain games, you might want to tweak your BIOS settings. Whether it's LLC adjustments, setting a lower power/current limit, downclocking, and/or undervolting, there's a good chance one or more of those will fix the problem.
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Matthew Connatser is a freelancing writer for Tom's Hardware US. He writes articles about CPUs, GPUs, SSDs, and computers in general.
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ezst036 Admin said:Apparently a 4096W power limit might be a bad idea.
What kind of heatsink we talking about here? -
evdjj3j "Considering Intel's processors are some of the best CPUs for gaming"Reply
Seems this article disagrees with that statement. -
NoobMaster5 I have the same issue with my rtx 4080 and 13900k the only thing that worked was swapping out the 13900k with my old 13700k and it solved the issue. I think the cause was my 850 watt psu wasn't enough for the rtx 4080 and 13900kReply -
Digital~Dreams My 13900kf bombs out to the desktop occasionally during ALL games. As if I'd Alt-Tab'd out. Not enough to cause annoyance though, between 0-2 times during an evening. Temp limited to 80c in bios. No logs point to the cause, nor a utility that checks which processes take focus.... Will try the other limits asap.Reply -
JarredWaltonGPU
I tried the BIOS temperature limit as well, not sure it worked properly — I don't think it responds quickly enough to thermal changes. Voltage, power, and current seem to be monitored (on some low level) more than temperature. But let us know in the comments if it helps — also what mobo you're using. (The Asus ROG Z690-A WIFI D4 in your sig?)Digital~Dreams said:My 13900kf bombs out to the desktop occasionally during ALL games. As if I'd Alt-Tab'd out. Not enough to cause annoyance though, between 0-2 times during an evening. Temp limited to 80c in bios. No logs point to the cause, nor a utility that checks which processes take focus.... Will try the other limits asap.
I do wonder how widespread the problem is, and exactly where the blame lies. Perhaps only some small percentage of CPUs are impacted, and then only if the motherboards go above certain levels. Certainly it seems like there are elements of the silicon lottery at play, but it doesn't help that the mobo vendors have played fast and loose with various settings for decades. -
Digital~Dreams
Yes sig is correct.JarredWaltonGPU said:I tried the BIOS temperature limit as well, not sure it worked properly — I don't think it responds quickly enough to thermal changes. Voltage, power, and current seem to be monitored (on some low level) more than temperature. But let us know in the comments if it helps — also what mobo you're using. (The Asus ROG Z690-A WIFI D4 in your sig?) -
BiasedOpinion I tracked down this problem last year as well. It is absolutely the 13900k and Intel is aware of it according to the user's who I received the information from in order to fix it. I believe the fix I did with mine was to limit it to 5.2ghz.Reply
It was unfortunate going from a 9900k to a 13900k and having to hunt this down
I have just been too lazy to contact Intel about it but you will find users who successfully RMAd theirs with this issue -
Neverwinterx This is interesting, I may have this issue as well in Battlefield 2042.Reply
I have a 14900KF and RTX 4090 on an MSI Pro Z790-A motherboard.
Initially Battlefield 2042 was fine, and then after some ingame update and nvidia driver update, I started getting an out of video memory error sometimes when loading up a multiplayer game.
And when loading a map, it does indeed load the shaders, which is where most people notice it.
I was wondering if the ingame update or the nvidia driver was the problem, but reading this, that's probably not the case.
I also applied a slight undervolt to my CPU some time ago, that started being unstable later in Cinebench 2024 (crash or hanging) while it was stable before. I thought that was because of my undervolt, but maybe not...
And when opening HWMonitor it will sometimes just fully powercycle my pc (no bsod, just a click that power falls off and pc boots up again). Also starting to wonder if that's related.
The Long Duration Power Limit and Short Duration Power Limit and CPU Current Limit are indeed set to Auto in BIOS. The grayed out values, which I assume are the currently applied values that "auto" choses for me are: 288W, 288W, 512A. A bit odd that when you click on the auto value, it doesn't give you selection / change options.
CPU Lite Load is also on the default auto (grayed out current value is mode 10). -
Albert.Thomas
More importantly, what kind of workload are you doing that could possibly cause a CPU to consumer over 1000W?!ezst036 said:What kind of heatsink we talking about here? -
Albert.Thomas
I mean, to be fair - AMD's 7800X3D is the best CPU for gaming, but it literally was catching on fire not long ago...evdjj3j said:"Considering Intel's processors are some of the best CPUs for gaming"
Seems this article disagrees with that statement.