Multiple Arm vendors are making chips for desktop PCs — Arm exec says Qualcomm Snapdragon won't be the only game in town
Arm expects to enter the Windows market on multiple fronts.
One reason Microsoft's Windows and IBM-developed PC architectures are so pervasive now is that both were open for third parties to innovate. For some time, x86 processors have dominated the Windows PC space. It will change as Qualcomm launches its Snapdragon X Elite processors for Windows PCs in the coming months. Furthermore, Qualcomm will not be alone, according to Arm's chief executive.
"For the PC industry to grow, particularly the Windows on Arm segment, is going to be a diversification of the supplier base to provide multiple units, multiple SKUs, multiple price points, and multiple experiences for end consumers," said Rene Haas, chief executive of Arm, in a conference call with financial analysts (via SeekingAlpha).
Rene's claim could be attributed to Asus's upcoming launch of Qualcomm's Snapdragon X Elite processors, but neither Asus nor Qualcomm will be alone in offering Arm-based computers. Asus and Qualcomm are aiming at the premium market, and the VivoBook is certainly where both companies want it to be for now.
From Arm's point of view, it does not matter where its architecture lands, what matters is expansion of the ISA into the PC space.
"Everything I'm hearing says that there are going to be multiple suppliers to serve that market over the next 12 to 36 months," he said.
There could be other points.
"And with that, we think now will be the time, over the next two, three years, where the ARM ecosystem will take a significant level of market share, primarily because of the level of experience that we've seen in the other ecosystem, the fantastic performance, the great battery life, the fact that you can build a high-performance machine minus a fan," said Haas. I think all those things are going to add up for significant growth. So I think once the vendor base diversifies, I think we're going to see that growth start to kick in over the next 12 to 36 months"
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Anton Shilov is a contributing writer at Tom’s Hardware. Over the past couple of decades, he has covered everything from CPUs and GPUs to supercomputers and from modern process technologies and latest fab tools to high-tech industry trends.
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DavidMV This is good...Reply
Not because the x86-64 ISA is bad... actually it is pretty darn good for high performance computing. Maybe it is slightly worse for power efficiency for mobile use because of the extra decoding, but that really isn't a huge deal.
This is good because AMD and Intel have a duopoly on x86-64 and no other companies are even allowed to make chips. Two companies are not enough for adequate competition. ARM64 will finally bring real competition back to Windows CPUs. I bet they take a good share of the laptop market in 5 years. -
Notton IMO, if they can design something that beats the Celeron N100 for low end, and Ryzen 6800U for high end, that should be good enough for most people.Reply -
MacZ24 What is needed is a very good x64/x86 emulator on ARM. It is my understanding that Microsoft didn't provide that yet (contrary to Apple who did its homework for the M1). Without that, I think adoption will be slugish.Reply -
TerryLaze
That's an old wives tale...anybody is free to make a x86 CPU, the problem is that every IP that is needed to make a USEFUL x86 CPU is protected and owned by either intel and or amd. Without all the mmx sse avx and all of that stuff a CPU will be utter crap and all of that belongs to big players.DavidMV said:This is good because AMD and Intel have a duopoly on x86-64 and no other companies are even allowed to make chips.
Have you looked around you lately?! The market is being flooded by miniPCs and handhelds with x86 CPUs, a domain firmly in the hands of ARM up until a few years ago. There is no danger for x86 , and arm is doing very well as well, there is no war between them.DavidMV said:Two companies are not enough for adequate competition. ARM64 will finally bring real competition back to Windows CPUs. I bet they take a good share of the laptop market in 5 years. -
slightnitpick
Via/Zhaoxin. Though as you imply the problem is not a duopoly on a particular architecture, but a heretofore duopoly on competitive PC CPUs in general. Soon the issue will just be inertia or specialized needs.DavidMV said:This is good because AMD and Intel have a duopoly on x86-64 and no other companies are even allowed to make chips. Two companies are not enough for adequate competition. ARM64 will finally bring real competition back to Windows CPUs. I bet they take a good share of the laptop market in 5 years. -
gschoen We still need a Qualcomm unit to actually come to market. Saving judgement until we get our hands on the finished product.Reply -
bit_user
Yes it's bad! If it weren't, Intel wouldn't be going to the trouble of undertaking the most massive overhaul to x86 since it went 64-bit.DavidMV said:This is good...
Not because the x86-64 ISA is bad... actually it is pretty darn good for high performance computing. Maybe it is slightly worse for power efficiency for mobile use because of the extra decoding, but that really isn't a huge deal.
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/developer/articles/technical/advanced-performance-extensions-apx.html
Well, Zhaoxin...DavidMV said:This is good because AMD and Intel have a duopoly on x86-64 and no other companies are even allowed to make chips.
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/cpus/chinas-zhaoxin-kx-7000-cpu-doubles-performance-of-prior-gen-chip-still-trails-6-year-old-amd-and-intel-processors -
bit_user
What MS dragged their feet on was 64-bit support. Win 10 could emulate 32-bit x86, but they only added support for 64-bit x86 binaries in Win 11. I think compatibility still isn't quite as good as Apple's, but we should know more when the launch reviews for the new Qualcomm laptops happen.MacZ24 said:What is needed is a very good x64/x86 emulator on ARM. It is my understanding that Microsoft didn't provide that yet -
usertests They'll be more interested in laptops (even if they are sitting on desks 100% of the time). That's the bigger market.Reply
Hope MediaTek does something interesting. -
pug_s I don't know if it will have 100% software compatibility for 3rd party applications especially legacy ones. I will believe it when I see it.Reply