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Nvidia Tesla product manager Sumit Gupta said their GPUs speed up Windows 7 and Apple's "Snow Leopard" because they're cool like that.
Last week we reported that Nvidia released its OpenCL driver and software development kit (SDK) for those enrolled in the OpenCL Early Access Program. The company released the driver early to receive feedback before distributing the beta. Nvidia said that the new driver would run on the CUDA architecture, enabling it to take advantage of the GPU's parallel computing. However, Sumit Gupta, product manager for Nvidia's Tesla products, went into more detail in an interview Friday, explaining how the Nvidia GPUs will accelerate software in Windows 7 and Apple's OS X Snow Leopard operating systems.
"The really interesting thing about OpenCL and DirectX is that OpenCL is going to form part of the Apple operating system (Snow Leopard) and DirectX (version 11) will form part of Windows 7," Gupta told CNET. "And what that essentially means to consumers is, if your laptop has an Nvidia GPU or ATI (AMD) GPU, it will run the operating system faster because the operating system will essentially see two processors in the system. For the first time, the operating system is going to see the GPU both as a graphics chip and as a compute engine," he said. Additionally, consumers using Windows 7 will see the GPU as a CPU in Task Manager.
But aren't GPUs meant for rendering graphics? Primarily, yes, however they've taken on a new responsibility within recent years as technology has improved, enabling them to help tackle more general computing processes usually handled by the system's main processor. Consider the GPU as a "helper" now, offering up its higher-end processing areas to compute a portion of a task carried out by the CPU, allowing both to work "in concert" rather than separate entities. This parallel processing will actually speed up both operating systems, however the benefit isn't a holy grail provided by Nvidia alone: ATI GPUs also provide a general purpose environment as well.
According to AMD, its ATI Stream technology is defined as a set of advanced hardware and software technologies that enable AMD graphics processors to work along with the system's CPU, working in parallel, to accelerate many applications beyond just graphics; Nvidia's CUDA works in the same manner. In addition, Nvidia's CUDA is compatible with many computational interfaces including PhysX, Java, Python, OpenCL, and DirectX Compute; ATI's Stream is compatible with DirectX, Havok's physics middleware, and OpenCL.
So the question is this: if GPUs are taking on the role of general processing (in addition to graphics processing), are CPU's on their way out? No. "If you're running an unpredictable task, the CPU is the jack of all trades," Gupta said. "It is really good at these unpredictable tasks. The GPU is a master of one task. And that is a highly parallel task."
He also goes on to describe a scenario of how the CPU and GPU would work together. When a consumer launches Google Picasa, the program would run entirely on the CPU. However, once the consumer loads up an image and applies a filter, the filter aspect should be run on the GPU. "The CPU is one aspect but not necessarily the most important aspect anymore," he said.
The bad news for AMD and Nvidia is that Intel is taking notice to the general computing environment, and plans to release a graphics chip that will handle parallel computing as well. "Since the graphics pipeline is becoming more and more programmable, the graphics workload is making its way to be more and more suited to general purpose computing--something the Intel Architecture excels at and Larrabee will feature," an Intel spokesperson told CNET.
There's quite a lot to look forward to with the release of Windows 7 and Apple's OS X Snow Leopard, especially if the parallel computing indeed does speed up the processing of applications.
Source : Tom's Hardware US
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So will the GPU be relegated to things like Photoshop filters, or will it be able to help crunch other things - like encoding an H.264/AVC video?
Snow Leopard is a pretty shitty name I can't believe apple is running with it.
I have been wondering why I never have access to see exactly how much of my GPU is being taxed. I hope this means I will be able to do so in the future.
This news just in: Ram and CPU power also speed up PC's and Macs too! who knew!
I wonder what the effect would be if we ran both Nvidia and ATI high end graphics cards in a system?
Which card would we connect the monitor to?
Would the system use both GPUs for processing?
It'd be kind of interesting to see what the results would be. Too bad we couldn't connect the cards together as you can with Crossfire or SLI.
I have been wondering why I never have access to see exactly how much of my GPU is being taxed. I hope this means I will be able to do so in the future.
gpu-z will show your gpu load under "sensors" tab. it does for my 4850.
wow!
I wonder what the effect would be if we ran both Nvidia and ATI high end graphics cards in a system?Which card would we connect the monitor to?Would the system use both GPUs for processing?It'd be kind of interesting to see what the results would be. Too bad we couldn't connect the cards together as you can with Crossfire or SLI.
not really, the gpu is not running x86 instruction set, but for certain tasks the software developer could have specially coded code that if the gpu are around it could offload those computations to. i recently wrote some code that does just that, microsoft and nvidia and ati make it very easy to do so. if there is not gpu then your cpu is stuck with the task, but if there is then it get it and the cpu is free to do other things. this will allow for some amazing windows eye candy tweaks, much like we see in games being available to the desktop programs rendering. i did a simple texture filter, and wow it worked, microsoft visual studio made is soo easy to do, just simple function. think of water, cload, smoke, ect effects and windows. wow
Snow Leopard is a pretty shitty name I can't believe apple is running with it.
Hahah well, there is a real leopard that is called a Snow Leopard, it's also known as an Ounce. The Toronto zoo had one when I was there last.
Now for my self I find the name Twitter pretty bad hahahah
Cool, so does that mean theoretically I only need either a gpu or cpu to boot up and use the most basic funtions of my computer?
Well there are the physical limitations like no vga/dvi port...
ok so if ATI can also take use of it then y is the title talks only about Nvidia
is this going to be limited to cards specifically made for DirectX 11? Is my GTX 260 SLI setup going to be unable to take advantage of parallel processing?
Snow Leopard is a pretty shitty name I can't believe apple is running with it.
Yeah, and Windows 7 is so brilliant. Who would have thunk?
Yeah, and Windows 7 is so brilliant. Who would have thunk?
At least Windows 7 doesn't sound like it wants to kill you...
So will the GPU be relegated to things like Photoshop filters, or will it be able to help crunch other things - like encoding an H.264/AVC video?
Photoshop CS4 already uses CUDA (for some Nvidia cards) for some filters.
ROFL True!
@ok so if ATI can also take use of it then y is the title talks only about Nvidia
ok so if ATI can also take use of it then y is the title talks only about Nvidia
It's because ATi hasn't released something for OpenCL, yet. Anyone who has seen how to even initialize CAL would see that it isn't really ready for primetime yet, it needs a bit more polishing (and ease of use!). From what I read elsewhere, OpenCL is almost based on CUDA (or the code appears almost like it).
GPU's have a major advantage when it comes to anything having to do with math, thanks in part to a wider data bus (ie: a 256bit data bus for a GPU with 256bit registers can load 8 32-bit integers in a single operation, while a 64bit CPU can load only 2 32-bit integers in a single operation). Hence why PhysX runs so much faster on a GPU then on a CPU.
I wonder though, if dual cards will suddenly lead to a noticable performance increase in general computing as a result...
ok so if ATI can also take use of it then y is the title talks only about Nvidia
Heh I was wondering when an AMD afficianado would complain. Surprisingly, I had to scroll pretty far down the list to find the first one. Even the Nvidia rep quoted in the article says both Nvidia AND AMD products are going to be able to do this.
Who cares what the title said? You read the article so you got all the information, right?
So with a GTX 295 for example, how many cores will appear in the Task Manager, 480 cores? How about a 4870 X2, 1600 cores? I'm sure they'll figure out a better way than to utterly overcrowd that Task Manager window
So with a GTX 295 for example, how many cores will appear in the Task Manager, 480 cores? How about a 4870 X2, 1600 cores? I'm sure they'll figure out a better way than to utterly overcrowd that Task Manager window
Only 1 core per card or set of cards will appear in task manager.
Funniest thing is that Apple will release Snow Leopard well , in the summer
. Hope it will be able to cope with the heat. Maybe they should have waited for winter 
OpenCL is a step in the right direction. It will be pretty amazing if the various players can come to a compromise and give us access to the GPUs for tasks other than graphics rendering. CUDA is nice but I would much rather develop against OpenCL and grab Mac, Linux, Windows, ATI and NVIDIA in one go. I want to use it for astronomical image processing.
"Snow Leopard"???
Just more proof that Apple is the Fisher-Price of the computer industry.
So will the GPU be relegated to things like Photoshop filters, or will it be able to help crunch other things - like encoding an H.264/AVC video?
It already does both. A lot of Adobe CS4 programs are optimized for the NVIDIA GPUs (Video editing, video compositing, encoding, photo editing, etc). Nero MoveIt, Cyberlink PowerDirector, Elemental's Badaboom all use CUDA (and sometimes ATI Stream) for video effects/rendering. There are a ton more for other computing tasks too (take a look at NVIDIA's CUDA page). Folding@home for example.
I wonder what the effect would be if we ran both Nvidia and ATI high end graphics cards in a system?Which card would we connect the monitor to?Would the system use both GPUs for processing?It'd be kind of interesting to see what the results would be. Too bad we couldn't connect the cards together as you can with Crossfire or SLI.
CrosSLI?
seriously atleast with vista you need the same display drivers to run aero, and the main monitor (primary) is whichever you select (after the priority of the bios etc)
For crying out loud! Where's ATI's solution! What about all those laptops that have the HD 3200 and 3100, why can't ATI do something that would make those who already own one... Happy! All I know is when I buy a product and that product is DEAD within 4-6 months and has no more support.. I just don't buy from that company any more.
and not a single word from ATI on supporting the 3xxx series with the new STREAM tech. ).
I have a GeForce 260 GTX and a GeForce 8 8800 GTS (Which I still actively use at home with Folding@Home), all I have to say is that I am very happy with the fact that when nVidia introduced hardware accelerated CUDA starting from th 8 series, I was very happy that I bought nVidia and not ATI (I own an HD 3870 too
ATI just lost a costumer... sad.
For crying out loud! Where's ATI's solution! What about all those laptops that have the HD 3200 and 3100, why can't ATI do something that would make those who already own one... Happy! All I know is when I buy a product and that product is DEAD within 4-6 months and has no more support.. I just don't buy from that company any more. I have a GeForce 260 GTX and a GeForce 8 8800 GTS (Which I still actively use at home with Folding@Home), all I have to say is that I am very happy with the fact that when nVidia introduced hardware accelerated CUDA starting from th 8 series, I was very happy that I bought nVidia and not ATI (I own an HD 3870 too and not a single word from ATI on supporting the 3xxx series with the new STREAM tech. ).ATI just lost a costumer... sad.
wow I give you my doofus ofm thw week award .. dropign a company becaue they can't add backward support for all their old products .. damn i guess this eliminates half teh tech companies on your list. seriously not every thing can be made to flow baackwards sure it is nice when it does but sometimes it is just impossible to ahve every thing this way. i guess you should drop intel and AMD cpu's now too since neither the i7 or the phenom 2 (am3) chips are backward compatible with older main boards ????. or maybe you should drop nvida since CUDA and phyx is n ot possible on a GF 6000 series gpu ??? my point beign this is about the dumbest reason i ever heard some one say "they lost a customer" over.
if the 3xxx series can handle the "stream" tech then i'm sure ati will eventually add it to that series assumign it is a worth while buisness venture for tehm to do so (keep in mind amd's 4xxx series is quite inexpensive as far as gpu's go not to mention the 3xxx is starting to end it's production cycle)
now don't get me wrong I'm NOT a fanboy, I am actually currently useing a gf 9600 gt. I just had to say something cos i ahte to see fanboyism born out of simple stupidity. you wont go see me rantign and gettign huffy should nvidia invent some new tech next year that isnt compatible with my card ... this is the way of the world 90% of the time NEW tech will NOT be backward compatible with OLD tech. it is great when it is but history proves that it is a rare thing , it's certainly not a good reason to denounce a company and publicly name your self a FANBOY.
So will the GPU be relegated to things like Photoshop filters, or will it be able to help crunch other things - like encoding an H.264/AVC video?
They sould have done this befor with tweeking
GPU speed at 1.5GHZ that runs like CPU speed it will blow it away
and the funny thing is that OS have a ways of tweaking speed up the processing of applications speed it what theya re trying to say. no wonder our kennel processing is too slow for alota things that CPU was going fast as they can't keep up the old kennel processing and GPU can't keep up that the kennel processing being slow that it holding our true speed of computing. might want to relook at how it made from our lacking slow OS.
For the people being retarded and saying "Why doesn't ATi have a solution!" It's called Stream. And people should be developing for OpenCL not CUDA. Why are people so fond of this random proprietary crap? The only voice of reason was the guy who realized it's better to get everyone in one go, not develop for one thing and hope people use it.