Asus Lists 990FX Motherboards with FX-9000 CPU Support

11504769 said:

seriously u dont need water cooling, a decent high end tower cooler will do the job.

The TDP and power usage is insane. Its worse than even Netbursts highest clocked CPU (3.8GHz which was a paltry 65W)

Its almost 3x that of a 4770K and its performance is not better enough to justify the price it launched at or even the supposed price cut.

Its a over priced, higher binned FX-8350 overclocked to the top end of its overclocking range. Save some of that money and buy a better GPU or a larger SSD.

Well at least you will know who is easy to scam. If they have a system with the fx 9000 series CPU, then feel free to up the price of goods and services, and justify it by being creative with your wording.

"Hey you need this pack of 20 disposable cups, they may cost $500 but I assure you they are worth it. Unlike the competition from small companies like dixie who who injection mold the polyethylene terephthalate at 500f, we use special special polarized electricity which gives us a higher quality 500f for our injection molding machines, so you can be sure that you are getting the highest quality disposable cups.

Order now and we will even throw in a throw in a free sticker!"


I really wonder who is insane enough to buy that crap.

I am currently stuck with my Phenom II x6 1075t, and my next upgrade will be a new motherboard and either a core i5 or core i7CPU.

Most of the people who I know that stuck with AMD were budget users where at a select few price points they offer better performance for the money, and the others with the 8 pseudo core CPU, got it as an upgrade from a CPU like a Phenom II x4 955, and didn't want to spend the money on a new motherboard along with the CPU.

With AMD's latest offerings and their announcement that they are dumping the idea of making CPU's that offer good performance, in favor of the entry level APU crap. There is no reason to upgrade any further on AM3+, and users of it will likely have a stronger push to move to intel.



AMD needs to let go of their unwarranted pride, and accept the fact they they F'ed up with the latest FX crap, and start over, and release a CPU with better ipc and real cores, and not the core module crap that is really just a better version of hyper threading.

Some may say it is not, but I disagree, and I will continue to until it no longer shares the same flaws as hyperthreading.

If 2 similar tasks fall on a single core module, then the shared parts bottleneck the performance and while you get better performance than a single core, IPC is sacrificed in both "cores"

http://www.extremetech.com/computing/138394-amds-fx-8350-analyzed-does-piledriver-deliver-where-bulldozer-fell-short/2

11505186 said:

Well at least you will know who is easy to scam. If they have a system with the fx 9000 series CPU, then feel free to up the price of goods and services, and justify it by being creative with your wording.

"Hey you need this pack of 20 disposable cups, they may cost $500 but I assure you they are worth it. Unlike the competition from small companies like dixie who who injection mold the polyethylene terephthalate at 500f, we use special special polarized electricity which gives us a higher quality 500f for our injection molding machines, so you can be sure that you are getting the highest quality disposable cups.

Order now and we will even throw in a throw in a free sticker!"


I really wonder who is insane enough to buy that crap.

I am currently stuck with my Phenom II x6 1075t, and my next upgrade will be a new motherboard and either a core i5 or core i7CPU.

Most of the people who I know that stuck with AMD were budget users where at a select few price points they offer better performance for the money, and the others with the 8 pseudo core CPU, got it as an upgrade from a CPU like a Phenom II x4 955, and didn't want to spend the money on a new motherboard along with the CPU.

With AMD's latest offerings and their announcement that they are dumping the idea of making CPU's that offer good performance, in favor of the entry level APU crap. There is no reason to upgrade any further on AM3+, and users of it will likely have a stronger push to move to intel.



AMD needs to let go of their unwarranted pride, and accept the fact they they F'ed up with the latest FX crap, and start over, and release a CPU with better ipc and real cores, and not the core module crap that is really just a better version of hyper threading.

Some may say it is not, but I disagree, and I will continue to until it no longer shares the same flaws as hyperthreading.

If 2 similar tasks fall on a single core module, then the shared parts bottleneck the performance and while you get better performance than a single core, IPC is sacrificed in both "cores"

http://www.extremetech.com/computing/138394-amds-fx-8350-analyzed-does-piledriver-deliver-where-bulldozer-fell-short/2

So what you are saying is you want a CPU that handles 1990's software better? I might have a Pentium 200MMX around somewhere...

No, what I am saying is that AMD needs to get rid of the fx crap and create a new CPU that has an IPC that is similar to other modern CPU. AMD stopped increasing the IPC of their CPU's with the phenom II, and they never recovered from it in any of their fx CPU's. Even their latest fx generation has a lower IPC than the phenom II.

Their insanely overpriced fx 9000 series crap fixes none of the fundamental flaws with the fx line of CPU.

Even tomshardware came to this conclusion when they did a set of benchmarks with a few generations of AMD and Intel CPU's set to 3 GHz and benchmarked.

The vast majority of software today is still single threaded. This is why intel is performing better by such a large margin compared to the AMD chips across most real world test, but not as much with fully multithreaded synthetic test.

Most games that use use multiple threads, are not fully multithreaded. instead different parts of the game are handled by different cores. This is why you encounter CPU bottlenecks that clearly show in benchmarks for many games that tomshardware will benchmark, even though those games are not reaching 100% usage, at most you may get a single core being maxed out, and that specific core is the bottleneck that is handling a non multithreaded element of the game engine.

The only truly multithreaded applications that are accessible to most people, are encoders where all cores are working on the same task of encoding frames from one format to another. Other than that all other multithreaded applications are partially multithreaded in that there are parts of the application which can only use a single thread, meaning if the AI processing in the game is too much for 1 core to handle, it will not use an additional core to handle the AI, instead it will max out that core and leave the others underutilized.

This is why in most applications, a modern core i5 or i7 will beat a modern FX CPU, even core i5's that lose out in all multithreaded synthetic test.

Pretty much all synthetic test are not getting real work done, they are sending the same task to each core, and so few programs do that. even photoshop fails to do that. and a program like adobe after effects fails to do it on everything but encoding. (even maya, 3ds max, solid works, and autoCAD fail to make use of multiple cores until you render something or perform a physics simulation)

Interesting. While the merits of 9xxx FX chips is beyond questionable at the current price point, this does suggest possible FX chips in the future in line with the drastic 9xxx price drop in certain regions. Honestly, an 8320 is the only price-performance piece from AMD right now, but it doesn't seem a wise investment given socket and roadmap at this point. 9xxx isn't bringing much more to the table that can't be obtained by an 8320. Good news for me I suppose (8320 in my rig, fantastic performance/value), and the possibility at a another meaningful CPU upgrade before this socket/MOBO is EOL.

Lets get real, AMD released those expensive CPUs for the diehard AMD fans. It is a toy/bragging right to have the best AMD CPU out there, at least to some it is. It is really not as serious as the comments are making it. It is a bit ridiculous with its TDP and price, but oh well don't buy one and move on.