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2:00 AM - 07/14/2009 by Patrick Schmid and Achim Roos

AMD/Socket AM3: MSI 790FX-GD70

We used MSI’s 790FX-GD70 to undervolt a Phenom II X4 955 processor. The board is MSI’s top model for Socket AM3, using AMD’s 790FX chipset with support for all the latest CPUs, ATI’s CrossFireX graphics technology (via four x16 PCI Express 2.0 slots), and lots of enthusiast-friendly features. The manufacturer implemented a hardware overclocking dial on the board, 4+1 voltage regulator phases with dynamic switching, and a large--but not excessive--heat pipe solution for the chipset and the voltage regulators. The BIOS allows you to set DDR3 memory speeds up to 2,133 MT/s. RAID is supported on all six 3 Gb/s SATA ports through the SB750 southbridge; more SATA ports, FireWire 400 and twin Gigabit LAN connections, plus 192 kHz HD audio are also available.

However, we hardly used any of these features this time, as the purpose of this project was to save power. The five-phase voltage regulator promises to be efficient, and the enthusiast-class board is equipped with quality components, which should support our ambitions. Still, we were a bit disappointed that it isn’t possible to adjust chipset or memory voltages downward. Maybe this is something MSI could add with a new BIOS release.

Intel/Socket LGA775: MSI P45D3 Neo

The Socket 775 motherboard we chose for the Core 2 Quad processor (we used a Core 2 Extreme QX9650) was the P45D3 Neo, which did a nice job on a recent overclocking project involving a Core 2 Duo. The board is based on the P45 chipset, but it’s not an enthusiast product: three voltage regulator phases have to suffice, there are no complex heat pipe solutions, and there are only few additions to the default chipset features. More information can be found in the article Overclocking Core 2 Duo: Power vs. Performance. Still, we decided to use this board, as other candidates we looked at for our undervolting projects—among them the Gigabyte X48T-DQ6, and an Asus P5Q Deluxe—also failed to offer substantial undervolting options for anything beyond the processor.

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johnbilicki 07/14/2009 8:27 AM
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Glad to see this article considering I underclock a whole heck of a lot more then I overclock; working on the web doesn't require the same amount of power as playing a video game.

My main concern is heat, I live in Florida right now and underclocking my computer and reduce the overall room temperature which is clearly higher then the average temperature of the rest of the house.

What is nice about the Phenom II series is that I can drop my X3 720 BE from 2.8 to as low as 0.8 and adjust the cores individually. This let's me keep the first core at let's say 1.4 and drop the other two to 0.8 if I need my system running but won't be directly using it. I'm curious as how this effects the effective voltage if at all. My socket 939 Opteron 185 could only drop from 2.6 to about 1.8. Another thing to note is that CPU usage seems to have a much higher correlation to heat output; if my system is idle then it doesn't generate as much heat as if I was playing a video game.

I was disappointed that the feature in the GeForce series that completely turned the video card off when not using 3D mode was removed. I prefer having one system to do my work and game and reducing heat output is my highest priority when I'm not spray-painting in Counter-Strike.

sohei 07/14/2009 8:30 AM
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johnbilicki 07/14/2009 8:41 AM
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@sohei Imagine being able to get 100mpg on a Ferrari...and when you want to kick it up a notch restore the normal power level. Less power means less heat...and it also means a smaller power bill. If entire data centers did/do this when demand is low they could/can save a ton of money.

StumpyStumped 07/14/2009 8:52 AM
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Even though the use of an top of the line Intel CPU is pointless, the article makes a valid point. Undervolting can save money and you can undervolt even more if you downclock as well. E5200 might be one of the best overclocking CPU but if you are using it in a HTPC like I do, 2.5G isn't really required to watch movies, listen to music or surf the web on the TV. I downclocked it to 2G and set voltage to 1.00V in BIOS. In Windows it sometimes goes as low as 0.82V. In referenece to johnbilicki's comment about GeForce CPUs, if you use nTune (I can't remember the new name for it) you can downclock you GPU to 25% of the factory setting and boost it to 100% or more when you are playing games.

sohei 07/14/2009 8:55 AM
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sohei 07/14/2009 9:03 AM
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jongwoonkim 07/14/2009 9:06 AM
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excellent article. didn't have a clue about undervolting.

jongwoonkim 07/14/2009 9:18 AM
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i don't like using i*t word so i won't use it. no company i know undervolt. and most computers are not oc'ed. and lastly but mostly undervolting doesn't reduce performance. get a job.

sohei 07/14/2009 9:19 AM
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sohei 07/14/2009 9:28 AM
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lapoki 07/14/2009 9:37 AM
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But would you still love your ferrari if it sipped fuel even while sitting pretty in your driveway?
And besides its not like you're crippling it for life, just resting while you sit on your a** doing nothing

jongwoonkim 07/14/2009 9:46 AM
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on my Q6600,
1.3v idle 186W, 100% 271W
1.1v idle 170W, 100% 243W

sohei 07/14/2009 9:48 AM
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rdawise 07/14/2009 9:50 AM
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sohei :
the cpus use in the article are inappropriate if you want to show ,to bring in front economy, green computing etc ...you use components made for this undervoltage because if someone needs less heat and power consumption will newer buy components how from star use a lot of power because a high end cpu needs a high end motherboard high end gpu etc both amd and intel has this kind of products made for green computing



Ture if you aim was simply "green computing". What if you simply want to save power for a short period of time, then wish to return to your "heavy load"? The problem with going simply "green" cpu is they lack horse power period. As you've pointed out they're not meant for heavy work. I guess an appropriate analogy would be having a car the could go 200 mph, but always doing the speed limit (let's assume 60). Would you rather have a car that could only do 60, or have a car that is capable of 200 if you need it to? That's my idea of it anyway. Good article.

andrej_valand 07/14/2009 10:00 AM
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Nice article, i underclock my workstations notebooks and servers all the time for longer battery life and less power use. I use RMclock from RrightMark, it works excellent and it changes multiplier and voltage on the fly in windows depending on the load. So "sohei" no restarting is needed. Just Like "jongwoonkim" said you can have a efficient Ferrari which can go full when you need it to go fast... Regards

sohei 07/14/2009 10:10 AM
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one-shot 07/14/2009 10:16 AM
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I think there is a typo on page 4 it states "It turned out that the default voltage of 1.32 V could be lowered by as much as 12%, to 1.1175 V. This lowered system peak power from 216 W to only 179 W, which represents a 17.2% drop in system power consumption."

However, in the graph, it shows 1.175Vcore. These are very different and I would like to know which one is correct. Thanks

andrej_valand 07/14/2009 10:25 AM
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Yes that is true a high power cpu will consume more, but if you want and need to have an hi-end system with fast processor you buy it. True? But mostly you don't need full power all the time. Why not save something on the electric bill and do something for the planet and adjust the factory power management to even lower levels if it is possible? I see only positive points in that. Why would i buy a low power CPU if it is not enough for me? The article is just fine, because what I have found out that low power CPUS don’t underclock that well, they are already power optimized, but you can tweak the hi power CPUS for quite a high margin sometimes. But in my opinion it is better to use some dynamic underclock utility that as doing this. I agree with you doing this in BIOS makes less sense, and when the CPU goes to idle it destroys the settings, so that way the bad numbers for the AMD cpu at idle when its most important. If you want to do it right you have to control the multiplier and voltage all the time, depending on load.

sohei 07/14/2009 10:52 AM
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drealar 07/14/2009 11:49 AM
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LoL sohei, chill :)

@ PSchmid and ARoos
"The power savings of 17.2% or 37 W..."
"148 W instead of 185 W—that’s a 20% reduction." = 37W
This is why I never rely solely on percentage%.. hehe

As not so enthusiast & not so average user, I appreciate the fact that we're able to see what effect do SStep & C'n'Q have on undervolting.

One thing that I'm wondering is how much is the CPU usage when running a process? Like if I see a 40% CPU usage normally, does that means I'll see 45~50% usage after undervolted? Or will I still see 40% but with a lil slower processing? Heh, I kinda got confused there, but would be useful to know since my CPU usage never goes beyond 70%.

Another thing I wanna confirm is, I assume that undervolted cpu speed will be a tad slower; like 2.8GHz cpu's performance will be like a 2.6GHz cpu, except that now the 2.8GHz will use ~37W less than the 2.6GHz. Is it? Something like a strong muscular guy effortlessly lift a full tower PC compared to a thin muscle-less guy who give his all :P :D

Would appreciate some clarification there Tom's guys :D
Please.


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