AMD's HBM Promises Performance Unstifled By Power Constraints

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  • eklipz330
    ABOUT FRIGGIN TIME! let's make 4k our b|tch.
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  • jtd871
    Now if the red team can get their overall power use, pricing and performance competitive with the green team at the mainstream level, we all win.
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  • Memnarchon
    "Four times the capacity sounds outrageous, but the first generation is limited to a maximum of 1 GB per stack, and the tech only allows for four stacks to be used. This means the first generation of graphics cards will have frame buffers that max out at 4 GB."
    This is a confirmation of what we knew.
    So I guess 390 and 390X would be 4GB cards?
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  • serendipiti
    What about latencies ? at a 500Mhz clock, seems impossible to improve latencies...
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  • xenol
    Aside from HBM, is there any sign of say a GDDR6 on the horizon?
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  • plasmastorm
    Im fully expecting the issue that Nvidia had a while back with the GPU solder joints failing over time to hit HBM.

    Hope it doesn't but something is telling me to be wary
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  • junkeymonkey
    ''AMD started work on this project over 7 years ago. When the engineers first sat down and started thinking about what problems lay ahead, it became apparent to them that bandwidth per watt would quickly become an issue. As bandwidth demands go up, the traditional solution has been to integrate more into the die. DRAM doesn't have that luxury, and yet its bandwidth demands rise as CPUs and GPUs get faster and faster. For GDDR5 to keep up, more power is required, and at a certain point that is no longer feasible. ''


    so is it that AMD's next generation gpu chips going to be so powerful that they need to get this HBM mainstream ??
    seeing that the r9 300 is going to be for the most part refresh/ tweaked r9 200 chips that will be use to work the bugs out of this new memory array then ''next year'' have a new die for a r9 400 card line up that twice as powerful to the point todays ddr5 layout will not be able to keep up with them ??

    that statement '' '' above is interesting to what may be coming down the road and the stage is being set for that ..??

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  • Larry Litmanen
    AMD always promises and usually underdelivers, until i will see a card on the market that costs the same as an Nvidia, eats just as much power and gives meaningfully higher FPS i do not want to hear from AMD.

    I don't care about technology, is it staked or whatever, is it better?
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  • CaedenV
    What about latencies ? at a 500Mhz clock, seems impossible to improve latencies...
    Latency in graphics is all about completing the task and exporting a frame every 1/60th (or 1/144th for OC'd panels) of a second. As long as it can render a frame at 60 or 140 Hz then it is fine. At 500,000,000Hz and super high bandwidth I really don't think that latency is going to be a noticeable issue. On the GPU side they may need to increase their buffer size a little bit to compensate for the lower clock rate and the insane increase in input, but that goes up with each generation anyways.
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  • InvalidError
    15888248 said:
    Aside from HBM, is there any sign of say a GDDR6 on the horizon?
    HBM is coming around because GDDR is no longer able to push the GB/W expected in modern applications. With all GPU designers likely to switch over to HBM, it seems unlikely anyone will bother pushing for GDDR6/7. The problem with off-package memory is that you end up wasting tons of power on bus termination, de-skew, signal equalization, etc. and this gets worse as speeds go up. With HBM, the bus lines are too short for most of these to matter. At least for now.

    The next step after HBM would be direct TSV connection between the RAM and GPU/CPU/whatever - skip the interposer and intermediate glue logic altogether.
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